• I'm happy to introduce the Styleforum Happy Hour, our brand new podcast featuring lively discussion about menswear and the fashion industry. In the inaugural edition, a discussion of what's going on in retail today. Please check it out on the Journal. All episodes will be also be available soon on your favorite podcast platform.

  • STYLE. COMMUNITY. GREAT CLOTHING.

    Bored of counting likes on social networks? At Styleforum, you’ll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis.

    Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today!

Suit without tie guidelines?

gateslion

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2009
Messages
81
Reaction score
3
I really like the look of a suit with unbuttoned shirt and no tie. Maybe not for the office, but for taking a chick on a nice date or something. I think it looks great without being too stuffy, and it seems really flattering for a tall athletic shape. Unfortunately I have no idea the rules on making this look work. Hoping you guys could spell it out for me? Especially which cuts, styles of suit, fabrics, how many buttons, etc? Thanks.
 

NORE

Distinguished Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2010
Messages
5,497
Reaction score
304
this can look good if the shirt collar is high and stands up on it's own, preferably a spread collar.
 

Mac

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 13, 2010
Messages
412
Reaction score
2
Google Tom Ford. He does it amazingly well. As long as the collar stands up on its own without flopping—I've found stiff and point collars work best, rather than spread. I often do crisp white shirt with two/three buttons undone, dark suit and a pocket square.
 

Kslim

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2011
Messages
183
Reaction score
10
3 buttons. Gotta show a little skin!
 

Ianiceman

Distinguished Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2010
Messages
2,651
Reaction score
485
Ford looks like a seventies lounge lizard with his receding hairline and too many buttons undone. Clooney is the master of this look IMO.
The biggest mistake I see is when the shirt collar flops down over itself. Like Mac just said, make sure your shirt collar holds up. IMO you need a point or medium spread not a cutaway, and if you spray a bit of starch on when you iron it will do the trick.
 

MrG

Stylish Dinosaur
Joined
May 25, 2008
Messages
12,314
Reaction score
4,613
+1 to spread, stiff collars that stand up/don't flop out. Also, I'd go with barrel cuffs.
 

Mudhiker

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 20, 2010
Messages
369
Reaction score
4
Originally Posted by gateslion
chick on a nice date or something.

Hypothetically speaking.
 

Orsini

Distinguished Member
Joined
Nov 8, 2007
Messages
1,358
Reaction score
21
The "rule" would be to wear a tie.
 

Imhoff

Distinguished Member
Spamminator Moderator
Joined
Jul 7, 2010
Messages
2,799
Reaction score
195
Originally Posted by Kslim
3 buttons. Gotta show a little skin!

No. This will often make you appear as a douche or gigolo. 2 Buttons is max on this and little to no (preferred) chest hair should be seen.

Originally Posted by NORE
this can look good if the shirt collar is high and stands up on it's own, preferably a spread collar.

+1 On this again. Stiff collar that stays within the jack lapels looks wonderful. Do not flop them outside the jacket or else you will look like a douche or gigolo (or both).
 

spitfirees20

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 10, 2008
Messages
283
Reaction score
10
Originally Posted by Orsini
The "rule" would be to wear a tie.

No. Like everyone else has said, if you have a shirt made for this purpose (and a great, stiff collar truly is necessary), this looks absolutely fine.

 

spitfirees20

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 10, 2008
Messages
283
Reaction score
10
Originally Posted by Imhoff


It's funny how suave and stylish Brad Pitt is supposed to look in this movie, but to anybody with even a hint of what to look for knows that his suit looks like a god damn train wreck. It's sad how the majority of the population will see nothing wrong with his outfit.
 

Orsini

Distinguished Member
Joined
Nov 8, 2007
Messages
1,358
Reaction score
21
Originally Posted by spitfirees20
No. Like everyone else has said, if you have a shirt made for this purpose (and a great, stiff collar truly is necessary), this looks absolutely fine.

I didn't say it didn't. And I don't care what everyone said.
 

Svenn

Distinguished Member
Joined
Oct 15, 2008
Messages
1,716
Reaction score
53
I would not button the jacket if you're not wearing a tie, too much formality contrasted with casualness. Apparently in the Edwardian/Victorian era, jackets were made to hug the torso and stay flat on the stomach without even having to be buttoned... If you had the money, I'd get a 'tieless' wardrobe made up just for that purpose- a jacket that fits snugly without being buttoned, and of course high, stiff-collared shirts. On the shirts, I've always thought it would be good to design them where the collar points would stay relatively close to each other even if unbuttoned... too much spread and you start getting the '70's lounge lizard' look
 

Featured Sponsor

How many pairs of shoes do you own?

  • 1 - 4

    Votes: 14 3.7%
  • 5 - 10

    Votes: 67 17.6%
  • 11 - 20

    Votes: 126 33.2%
  • 21 - 30

    Votes: 64 16.8%
  • 31 - 40

    Votes: 26 6.8%
  • 41 - 50

    Votes: 22 5.8%
  • 51 - 60

    Votes: 13 3.4%
  • 61 - 70

    Votes: 7 1.8%
  • 71 - 80

    Votes: 13 3.4%
  • 81 - 90

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • 91 - 100

    Votes: 3 0.8%
  • 100+

    Votes: 23 6.1%

Related Threads

Forum statistics

Threads
427,439
Messages
9,198,607
Members
193,203
Latest member
Eva White

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by

Top