Brands that mean mediocrity

James Pearse.

Hackett, see my post with a shirt of them.

Zegna mainline does great shirts, but their suits are baggy and overpriced .

Originally Posted by laphroaig

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I think you misunderstand the philosophy of this thread. Mediocrity has nothing to do with quality or value. We are talking about much more important and fundamental things here. Is Rolex an aspirational brand for smalltimers? Yes. Is it obtainable by smalltimers? Yes.

There's your answer.

I think that is a very silly definition of mediocrity. Honestly, I think the statement above is simply elitist bullshit. The much, much more common link between most of the brands mentioned previously is that they used to symbolize high quality and be class leaders and are using their previously earned reputation to now peddle crap.

Originally Posted by aportnoy

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I love Paul Stuart. They have held to their sense of dressing for the 25+ years that I have been a customer.

If you just take their basics like the sock and glove selection into account, you have one of NY's best shops. Not to mention they also have a wonderful selection of basic merino, alpaca and cashmere sweaters.

I work in the same neighborhood and I visit the shop almost weekly.

They have not strayed from their vision for the 50+ years I have known the store.
My Dad bought me my first Paul Stuart suit in 1957. My Paul Stuart Tux, which is
still wearable, is from 1965.

Originally Posted by imageWIS

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Just to clarify, I never said that they were mediocre, only overpriced.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you did, I was replying to the post you replied to as much as yours. I actually have the same Breitling as you. Honestly, I don't think they offer the same value they once did. I bought mine new about 7 years ago from an AD for $1,025, and thought that was a superb value for the money, better than Tag, Omega, Baum Mercier or even Rolex. In those days, Omega discounted very little and Rolex didn't discount at all. Today, with retail prices having doubled and with the looming threat of losing the ability to use modified ETA movements (along with monstrously-sized cases), I just don't feel they offer the same value they once did. Build quality hasn't declined, and I'd hardly call them Mediocre, but I think there used to be a more compelling case to buy a Breitling vs. the competition. Those were also the days before the huge shiny Breitling became trendy.

Originally Posted by Corniche

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Hackett, see my post with a shirt of them.

Zegna mainline does great shirts, but their suits are baggy and overpriced .

You find the Milano or Coture baggy? Are you trying on the right size?

I forgot to mention the most douche brand for me

Gucci!

Originally Posted by Corniche

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I forgot to mention the most douche brand for me

Gucci!

Que tal Corniche?

Gucci , Versace ,Dolce and so many others.

Originally Posted by oscarthewild

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Clothing brands are mediocrity. Except for socks etc, one must go bespoke.

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Even underwear?

Originally Posted by Classically

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Even underwear?

Especially underwear.

I go bespoke handkerchief.

Originally Posted by Nicola

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You find the Milano or Coture baggy? Are you trying on the right size?

I agree. Zegna fits my body perfectly. Broad at the shoulders, thick in the chest and upper back and narrow in the waist. What's not to like?

Originally Posted by thenanyu

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Especially underwear.
I can just imagine someone walking into the Kiton flagship store in Naples and asking to see their underwear swatches