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Why do classics need to be ugly?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Oliver84, Jun 13, 2014.

  1. Oliver84

    Oliver84 Member

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    Ok, don't crucify me for posting this. I'm honestly trying to understand a bit of men's fashion as I've been pretty brain dead on the subject. I've been reading a lot on men's dress shoes because I'm in the market for some great shoes that will last me a long time. Everywhere I turn to online people recommend Allen Edmonds all the way.

    After hours and hours of reading I totally agree that I should be looking for a shoe with leather sole and Goodyear Welt. The style however, I just can't wrap my head around. My personal "style" I would say is a style that most people on this forum despise. It's the elongated square toes that some may refer to as "elf shoes". I'm not talking about huge pointy ones but basically what you'll see with Steven Madden or Stacy Adam shoes which I know are considered to be pretty much crap shoes now.

    I don't wear suits every day, just on the weekends. Every other day I am in business casual dress so some nice slacks and button up, long sleeve shirt. Would you still recommend AE Park Avenues for this? I feel like they're over dressed shoes and frankly not that pleasant looking. At least not compared to the more trendy looks out there. I know trendy looks come and go but I can't wrap my head around why so many people love Park Avenue shoes and hate the more trendy shoes that in my opinion look pretty nice. Is my fashion sense really that off?
     
  2. papa kot

    papa kot Senior member

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    Why would Park Avenues the be the only choice?
     
  3. Oliver84

    Oliver84 Member

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    They're not but they are probably the most popular. Those and Fifth Avenues seem to be almost a staple from what I've read. May be wrong but either way, the other AE models aren't much better. They are all pretty "old school".
     
  4. papa kot

    papa kot Senior member

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    Okay, so try a different brand. Have you heard of Alden, Edward Green, Church's, John Lobb and the likes?

    You may be experiencing a culture-style shock. Just like most members on this forum may question your taste in shoes as you've stated in the original post, you question the completely new-to-you style of traditional American footwear.
     
  5. dappertimes

    dappertimes Well-Known Member

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    Your fashion sense is not off. Most people just have their own unique stye.In fact, many brands tat are known to have a traditional, classical appeal are changing to a more modern and contemporary look such as Prada.
     
  6. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    I'm not sure why you are fixated on Allen Edmonds. They make a fine product, and I like them mainly because they are sort of unwieldy and have an ugly duckling appeal to them, but if you want a sleeker shoe, you can find something with an elongated toe from any of the brands above, or Vass. Or, of you want to get into more expensive brands, St. Crispins or Gaziano&Girling. There are also lots of good Italian makers out there that make a more lightweight shoe.

    I think that people recommend Allen Edmonds because they are relatively inexpensive, but really, there are lots and lots of other choices out there.
     
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  7. Ironist

    Ironist Senior member

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    OP, just because you are thinking about buying better quality shoes doesn't mean those shoes have to be boring. AE is a good entry level shoe, yes, but there are plenty of better shoes with more aggressive and modern styles than AE. You should look at Meermin, Carmina, and Kent Wang. You're better off buying one of those than 2 of AE when you hate the style. Go grab a monk strap, chukka, chelsea or a chisel toe oxford. Look at Italian makers too for shapes like the last one.

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  8. Oliver84

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    Thanks for all your input. I guess I need to do more research. I've never heard of the brands you guys mentioned. I've just been looking at AE,JM,Florsheim, Cole Haan, etc. I wanted to stay under $200 for a Good year welt if possible. I'm glad to hear my taste isn't completely out of wack.

    I have noticed many Italian companies making good quality, modern looking shoes. I'm very into the modern look. Not too crazy looking, but something a bit more interesting than the classics...
     
  9. HansderHund

    HansderHund Senior member

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    It's also important to note that the shoes that you described in your OP (square toe) are, from a fashion sense, also out of style. These trends have a pretty short shelf-life and I'm reasonably confident that they're out as far as "modern/trendy" is concerned. As others mentioned, there are plenty of options out there that are high quality and sleek/elegant.
     
  10. comrade

    comrade Senior member

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    Classics need not be ugly. For Example:

    http://cobblersweb.style.coocan.jp/marini1/marini01.htm

    http://cobblersweb.style.coocan.jp/bespoke/bespoke-shoemaker6/g.marini.htm

    Note that non of these shoes are antiqued, which to me is plague that will hopefully abate.

    All you need is the price of a well used Honda.

    Full disclosure: I cannot afford the shoes. My dress shoes are from Ludwig Reiter which cost about
    as much as higher end Crockett and Jones.

    I have these in black and suede. bought them a few years ago when the Euro was lower.

    http://www.soletopia.com/2012/12/made-in-vienna-ludwig-reiter-red-chestnut-derby/
     
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  11. Veremund

    Veremund Senior member

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    Yes.
     
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  12. Veremund

    Veremund Senior member

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    You're in the wrong place. This is the CLASSIC Menswear Forum.
     
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  13. RY4N

    RY4N Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand why you choose that thread title? It basically insults the taste of everyone on this forum and doesn't accurately express what your first post is about. What you actually want is quality shoes in the style that you like. AE is considered pretty much the obvious choose for an "affordable" quality shoe, although people on this forum often make misleading claims about their availability at low prices. They do however make shoes like the ones you describe.
     
  14. GBR

    GBR Senior member

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    +1

    Classics are by definition what they are, if you alter them then classics they are not, simply some fashionable abomination. If you can't find the quality you require in the style you require, that rather confirms the point that quality and fashion are not bed fellows but classic and quality certainly are.
     
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    ter1413 Senior member

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    No. It is!
     
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  16. Ecstasy

    Ecstasy Senior member

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    I think OP Oliver84 defines classics as ugly or vice versa, so perhaps he felt that he was redefining 'taste in shoes' with this thread title. He probably assumed SFers to be like the regular folks he hangs out with e.g. wearing square-toed shoes and all.

    OP, welcome to SF, and get a decent education on what classic menswear entails before generalising like that.
     
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  17. Oliver84

    Oliver84 Member

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    I apologize for the misleading title and if some of you took offense to it. Truth is, the title is how I thought when I first began learning about men's shoes. The more I read about menswear and style, the more this style grows on me.

    Saturday I hit DSW and tried on a bunch of square toes that I thought were "appealing". None of them looked right once I tried them on. As far as DSW goes, the shoe I like the most was the Florsheim Jet Cap Toe. It felt really comfortable and looked nice. I know there aren't very many great choices in DSW but this Florsheim sort of opened my eyes a bit as to why people like classics.

    I appreciate your comments. Positive and negative alike. I'm just here to learn and I don't get easily offended so no worries.
     
  18. Oliver84

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    So I've decided to go with Brown Wingtip shoes like the AE Sanfords and Black Blucher cap toes. Now just waiting for the right deal.

    I don't wear a suit every day so I wanted something a bit on the casual side but still classy. I like the sanfords a lot. I think they'll satisfy my need of a "fun" shoe to go with my standard cap toe. I'm thinking this is a good start.
     
  19. Jojo Lapin X

    Jojo Lapin X Well-Known Member

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    I think we are none of us the same people we were way back when it all began, three days ago.
     
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  20. beardsf

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    ironist, what are the perforated captoed oxfords in your second to last pic? love them!


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