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[Jr Mouse]



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Oh, sure. I get that. I just have to question whether that was a reasonable tradeoff. He obviously knew of the existence of the Death Star and had disappeared for at least a while in an effort to avoid helping. Why not just have an escape/contingency plan in place so that when Krennic came calling he just machine-gunned him and his men and then peaced out with his family? Why walk out unarmed, or even walk out at all? Why not just turn off the lights, hop on a spaceship, and lightspeed out of town?

I recognize that, of course, this would sort of blow the movie and the subsequent storylines.

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He wanted revenge against the Empire and knew that they had to be defeated for the sake of the galaxy. Running away to a small planet in the middle of nowhere wouldn't have achieved those goals.

Plus as you acknowledge it served the overall story arch and made for a good film.

 

[edinatlanta]

Jar Jar.

In the prequels I'm willing g to believe the theory that he's actually a sith expert plant. He's too obviously stupid and then there's all the background elements of his character to support that.

But in Clone Wars he's just dumb. So I don't know what to believe.

 

[VaderDave]



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He wanted revenge against the Empire and knew that they had to be defeated for the sake of the galaxy. Running away to a small planet in the middle of nowhere wouldn't have achieved those goals.

Plus as you acknowledge it served the overall story arch and made for a good film.

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Then why actually complete the research/work and get the Death Star working? Why not just build in a secret defect that would result in the whole thing exploding the first time they tried to use it at full power?

Anyway: this is fun to quibble over but ultimately sort of silly. :foo:

 

[edinatlanta]



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Then why actually complete the research/work and get the Death Star working? Why not just build in a secret defect that would result in the whole thing exploding the first time they tried to use it at full power?

Anyway: this is fun to quibble over but ultimately sort of silly. :foo:

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I think Galen's hologram monologue explained that the only way to do it to avoid detection was to make it that small etc. Also R1 was really only about moving from plot point to plot point so there's that consideration, too

 

[VaderDave]



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I think Galen's hologram monologue explained that the only way to do it to avoid detection was to make it that small etc. Also R1 was really only about moving from plot point to plot point so there's that consideration, too

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Well, isn't that convenient.

 

[edinatlanta]

it in fact most certainly is.

 

[VaderDave]



it in fact most certainly is.

What, you don't like my alternative storyline where nothing actually happens to move the plot forward? Fine.

 

[brokencycle]

Jar Jar.

In the prequels I'm willing g to believe the theory that he's actually a sith expert plant. He's too obviously stupid and then there's all the background elements of his character to support that.

But in Clone Wars he's just dumb. So I don't know what to believe.

The theory is that it was abandoned because of the reaction to episode 1.

 

[VaderDave]



The theory is that it was abandoned because of the reaction to episode 1.

I guess I hadn't realized that anyone thought that theory (Jar Jar as Sith) was anything other than a clever joke. Do some people take it seriously?

 

[Graemsay]

Palpatine didn't know that Jar Jar was a Sith...

That said, there was a scene shot for Revenge of the Sith that sounds really interesting. It doesn't support the Darth Binks theory, but shows how Jar Jar was manipulated and corrupted. From Entertainment Weekly:

"In Revenge of the Sith, there was a scene that was cut where I'm walking down a long pathway with Ian McDiarmid before he is turned into the Emperor," Best explains. "And Palpatine kind of thanks Jar Jar for putting him in power. It's a really interesting scene, and it shows the evolution of Jar Jar from this fun-loving kid's character into this manipulated politician. And it was an interesting arc for the character that I thought could have been explored, because the scene is really dark. But it just didn't fit in the movie, which I understand. But yeah, George's take on it is Jar Jar is now just a politician."

An alternative take is given by Ian Doescher in his Shakespearian riff The Phantom of Menace, in which Jar Jar plays the fool, whilst working to bring about peace between the humans and Gungans on Naboo. See:

The Radicalization of Jar Jar Binks

In 'William Shakespeare's The Phantom of Menace,' Jar Jar Binks Plays the Fool

I haven't read the play, but it's an interesting take on the character. Unfortunately a revisionist film about Jar Jar is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

 

[RFX45]

Episode 8 is officially title Star Wars: the Last Jedi

 

[otc]



An alternative take is given by Ian Doescher in his Shakespearian riff The Phantom of Menace, in which Jar Jar plays the fool, whilst working to bring about peace between the humans and Gungans on Naboo. See:

The Radicalization of Jar Jar Binks

In 'William Shakespeare's The Phantom of Menace,' Jar Jar Binks Plays the Fool

I haven't read the play, but it's an interesting take on the character. Unfortunately a revisionist film about Jar Jar is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

This set of comics is the only revisionist piece I need to explain jar jar. Makes more sense if you have ever played a tabletop RPG (D&D, etc.)

 

[brokencycle]

Thanks for the link. I've never seen this before, but Episode 5 is spot on.

 

[Jr Mouse]

Interesting title. It's got a darker feel to it, which may indicate the direction the story will go. Also could refer to just Luke or Luke and Ray as the Jedi.

 

[brokencycle]

Only Sith exist in pairs. Maybe it is going to go really dark.