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Nautica

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Stu, Feb 24, 2003.

  1. Stu

    Stu Senior member

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    I was wondering what you guys think of Nautica. Myself, I think it seems like a nice value for a lower price point. The sportswear stuff, khakis, polos, -- seems like good quality for the price. I was thinking about picking up a couple of heavier long-sleeved polos at a local boutique, but was wondering if anyone had any opinions beforehand. Zegna it's not, but it seems like good quality for the price.
     
  2. F4iryder14

    F4iryder14 Senior member

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    Stu,

    I have a couple of Nautica polo shirts that I have had for a couple of years and they have held up fine.  I think Nautica is a good middle of the road brand, and I really like their use of cream colors/off white and their plaids.  You won't get many people on this forum to say they like Nautica because it's not made in Italy or doesn't cost $150 for a simple shirt, but if you're like myself and don't want to get into debt buying clothes, then there is nothing wrong with Nautica.
     
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    VMan Senior member

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    I am not a fan of their clothing that is aimed at the late teen-age crowd (even though I'm 18 myself). I like a lot of their more casual and slightly dressy clothes. I have a great spring jacket made by them that I can't wait to start wearing again.
     
  4. Joe G

    Joe G Senior member

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    Oh please. This is the second time today that you've posted such drivel. Please get over yourself, sir.

    Peace,

    JG
     
  5. F4iryder14

    F4iryder14 Senior member

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    Please get over myself?  Read what I wrote again.  I am DEFENDING the idea of buying cheap(er) clothes, which it seems like no one on this forum has done yet (or at least I haven't found a posting yet, I might have missed it).  Stu's original posting had been up for about 2 days, read by over 50 people, and nobody had commented on his simple question.  Why?  You mean to tell me no one that read it had any comments on Nautica clothing?  No, that would seem to back up the reasons that I stated in my first reply, that nobody on here ever has many positive comments about anything that is not at least 3 figures for fear of looking unfashionable or too much like the norm or something; I'm not positive of the reasons.  I'm just trying to give a voice and opinion to people like myself (maybe you're rich Stu, I have no idea) that can't afford the big money clothes, which is what seems to dominate a lot of the postings.  I could care less what people wear and for what reasons, and I apologize if I have offended or unfairly grouped someone, but don't yell at me for commenting on what ideas are plainly obvious to anybody that looks hard at the postings on this site.
     
  6. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Hmmm...

    Well I don't have anything against wearing basics from brands like Nautica or Polo. However I think these brands are ripping people off.

    The highest markups in the industry are made by designers like Armani. I doubt if Armani's cost on a Black Label shirt is more than $15 - $20. In fact I've got an order form somewhere for the Italian company that used to make shirts for Ralph Lauren Purple Label, T&A, etc. If you buy 10 shirts or so you can get them for about $30.00 each. And those shirts are nicer than most Black Labels. Yet Armani gets $300+ for a Black Label shirt. Or $2000 for what's really a $1000 Vestimenta suit. You're buying a name and a (sometimes excellent) design philosophy.

    Brands like Nautica and Polo aren't much better. Most all their merchandise is mass produced in China or Hong Kong or Malaysia etc. They aren't paying much for it. Probably less than $5 for a shirt they sell for $40. So again, you are buying a name.

    A lot of us love high end clothing, even very high end clothing. I'm sure some buy it solely on the basis of image. But just as many of us buy it because it represents the best value out there. A Borrelli shirt for instance requires 6 hours of skilled labor to produce. 20+ hours for a Brioni suit or a pair of Mantellassi shoes. And they are made from the very best materials. Sure, they are expensive, but at least you are getting something for your money. Not to mention that these garments last forever.

    That being said - the only reason to pay $3000 for a suit, or $300 for a shirt, or $750 for a pair of shoes is if you have more money than time. With a little education and effort you can buy Borrelli at a Nautica price. A surprising number of us are doing it. And that's value..
     
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    I'll give you credit for lurking for 5 months before trolling, but you really have to learn to check your attitude at the door. If you remember the Jantzen fiasco, you'll find the majority of regulars here are more concerned with quality, whatever the price point.

    Keep reading the archives. You'll find that most questions are answered with civility, honesty, and without airs - look at the countless answers to the "first suit" or "interview wear" type of question. There's really no need to be defensive about anything. Recommend whatever you like, but if your ego can't handle the mention of Kiton, Borrelli, or Zegna, you might want to hang out elsewhere.
     
  8. Stu

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    I posted a fight and a thread broke out.

    No, F4iryder14, Stu is definitely not rich. But he probably has a bit more money than time.

    I posted this thread because I saw a long-sleeved polo I really need, (and like), from Nautica in a local boutique. I have some of their stuff -- a sport jacket which I like, for one. But this boutique is horribly overpriced. I'm embarrased to say how much they want for this polo, although it is less than $100, but not way way way less, like it should be.

    If it was a question of merely liking it, I could be more picky and dig around a bit. But I really need it, and I don't have time to dig through Marshalls every day for the next 3 months for when I can finally get it for $20.
     
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    I second what A. Harris said about the ratio of value to price. Yes, the retail price of a Nautica or Polo item is significantly lower than that of a Brioni, Kiton, etc; but as the popularity of such threads as the "best style under $30" or the thrift store and ebay discussions indicate, most of the people here wouldn't pay exhorbitant prices for any article clothing, regardless of quality. Of course this practice takes a lot more time, effort, and knowledge than just walking into a department store and whipping out a credit card, but it's not difficult to get a much higher quality item for the (full) price of a Nautica, and if I saw a Nautica item I liked on sale under $10 at TJ Maxx, I'd buy it without reservation).
     
  10. F4iryder14

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    Good point Dave.  I really haven't run into anybody on this site that has been mean or rude, and I apologize once again if I was.  Even the postings I have made concerning questions I had about lower end shoes I bought and jeans and stuff like that, I was not ridiculed like I thought (or would have been at a forum like GQ or something).  And like you guys, I NEVER pay full retail for any of the stuff I have got, Polo or otherwise.  I sometimes surprise myself at the deals I find.  Didn't mean to be a prick guys, I just got off on a little rant to defend my man Ralph =-). I have to, 3/4 of the s*** in my closet is from him.
     
  11. hermes

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    hmmm, have you read the new biography on ralph lauren, it may be a bit eye opening to you.
     
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    No, I haven't read it. Eye opening in what way?
     
  13. Joe G

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    Yep. No need to sound so bitter.

    There are several posts around on getting great clothes for low cash outlay. See the "What are you wearing today" thread for a few. You will, however, note that most of these involve discounted couture pieces and/or thrift store finds.

    Besides, as Andrew pointed out, cheap(er) is a continuum. What's cheaper, a Nautica/Polo RL/Tommy tie for US$40 (or whatever) at Macy's, or a Kiton seven-fold tie discounted to the same price at an outlet? Well, the Kiton uses better materials and the quality of its construction is in a whole 'nother league, so most people would say that the outlet Kiton tie is by far a better deal than the high street price Nautica/Polo/Tommy tie.

    Not to speak for anyone else, but I don't have any comments on it, good or bad. Except for their logo'ed stuff, which is as tacky as anyone else's. Sometimes moreso, in cases where the logos are bigger.

    Here are some search terms you can look up that may disspell that feeling: Zara, Sisley, Banana Republic (aka BR), H&M. Also look up thrift and vintage stores for lots of discussion on interesting finds that didn't cost lots of money.

    None of those marques (particularly H&M) are that expensive, certainly no more so than the big box store "high end" brands like Nautica, Polo RL, or Tommy. But all of them seem to have design staffs (or to be fair, often counterfeiting staffs) that cater more to people who take more interest in what they're wearing rather than people who care more about the logo covering what they're wearing.

    (OK, Sisley does have lots of annoying logoed t-shirts. I don't like or buy those, either.)

    Peace,

    JG
     
  14. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    [​IMG] This whole thing reminded me that I really like a lot of Nautica's ties. The woven ones to be specific - they look great and knot perfectly. I was wearing one today - a two-tone gold/rust with golden orange polka dots. It's one of my favorite ties. I've also got one in the perfect shade of solid red. It's just about the only red tie I own and also it's the tie I've owned the longest. Over three years to be specific. In my wardrobe that might as well be forever - I sell everything in the end. So I guess I'm a Nautica fan [​IMG]
     
  15. F4iryder14

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    You are right Joe.  Please refer to my second posting on the 27th, not sure if you saw it. I tried to explain what I said a little more in that one.

    Kevin
     
  16. Steve B.

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    Glad you guys were able to straighten things out amicably on this thread.

    Nautica polos are made off shore, so I choose not to buy them. However as we discussed (exhaustively.?) in the Jantzen thread this is my own personal choice, and certainly not one I expect everyone to make. Did own a couple in the past, liked them, and they wore reasonably well.

    Hermes, what's the title of the Ralph Lauren book? I'd be really interested in reading it.
     
  17. southerncollegeboy

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    Steve B., the book is called "Genuine Authentic: The Real Life of Ralph Lauren". I haven't read it yet, but hope too. Also, the author was on All Things Considered (on NPR) a couple of weeks ago, and I believe that conversation is archived on NPR's website. It was an interesting piece because in one way I gained a lot of respect for Mr. Lauren (coming from poverty, his motivations), but on the other hand it kind of makes him look like a man with the world's lowest self-esteem.  The author of the book mentions, if I recall correctly, something about Mr. Lauren playing dress-up in his ads (the one's where he's a race car driver, a cowboy, etc).

     Back to the thread:  I too have a nice Nautica tie--dark blue with small light blue polka dots. Very nice, very nice indeed.  Bought it about three years ago at one of those cheaper stores--can't remember the name. Like a Marshalls, but it wasn't Marshalls.
     
  18. hermes

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    the ralph lauren book is called Genuine Authentic: The Real Life of Ralph Lauren and is by Michael Gross, just recently released in the last week

    here is a press blurb from the publisher from the book release:

    From the Publisher

    Everyone knows the name Ralph Lauren. Many people know that he was born Ralphie Lifshitz. But not even Lauren himself knows the extra-ordinary history of his ancestry. And until now, no one really knew how this pint-size nebbish rose from the Jewish ghetto of the Bronx and turned himself from a yarmulke-topped yeshiva boy into the world's leading purveyor of old-money-WASP style. Genuine Authentic is that story.

    Horatio Alger, step aside. Lauren, the descendant of generations of eastern European rabbis, is the embodiment of modern ambition. He stands as a symbol of the awesome rewards of self-invention -- and not just because he turned a talent for designing ties into a ten-billion-dollar international business. He also demonstrates how precarious success is, how hard a road life can be even for the driven.

    Lauren is considered by many to be a phony and a copycat. Yet even though he made up his name and nearly went bankrupt trying to live up to it, he can't be dismissed as a mere fake. His products have revolutionized the way almost everything is sold and the way great brands are built. Like Henry Ford and Walt Disney, he's also a real American authentic. And his business is a stunning American success.

    There are at least two Ralph Laurens. To the public he's a gentle, modest, yet secure and purposeful man. Inside the walls of Polo Ralph Lauren, though, he's seen by some as a narcissist, an insecure ditherer, and at times a rampaging tyrant.

    Michael Gross, author of the bestseller Model, lays bare the truths of this fashion emperor's rise, and reveals not only the secrets of his stunning success in marketing our shared fantasies but also the darker side that's hidden behind the shiny patrician image.

    Gross uncovers the essence of Lauren's carefully cultivated mystique: how he has turned his back on his own surprisingly aristocratic heritage to embrace another, more commercially viable, one; how he's built an image of luxury and wealth on a foundation of almost anonymous commodities, basic items of clothing like polo shirts and khaki pants, sold mostly in low-priced outlets, and seen everywhere from the subway to the world stage.

    It wasn't easy. Along the way, Lauren conquered self-doubt and survived business reverses, even several brushes with bankruptcy. Genuine Authentic follows Lauren through an unhappy childhood and confused adolescence -- torn between an immigrant culture and his material desires -- to fame as a gray-haired thirty-something, and, finally, to the man he is today.

    In recent years, after surviving brain tumor surgery, Lauren suffered from a massive midlife crisis, finding solace with a beautiful blond model. He survived that, too, and in the nineties took his company public, making him a billionaire but creating a whole new set of challenges to confront, new horizons to conquer, starting with Wall Street, and then on to the rest of the world.

    Phony? Or the real thing? It's all here. You decide.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    About the Author

    Michael Gross, the bestselling author of Model: The Ugly Business of Beautiful Women and My Generation, writes "The Word" in New York's Daily News and is a contributing editor for Travel & Leisure. His articles have appeared in magazines and newspapers throughout the world, including the New York Times, New York, GQ, Esquire, and Vanity Fair. He lives in New York City.
     
  19. Steve B.

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    Hermes, SCB:

    Thanks for the info.
     
  20. johnnynorman3

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    I had to respond to this post. I was in a Zegna store the other day browsing in the suit section (who was I kidding -- I'm not paying retail for that.). I had on a striped point collar shirt from Nautica on. I picked it up for $15 at Macy's. Now, it's a really freaking cool shirt, let me tell you. And the fabric is really soft -- it's labeled as their "Compact Cotton." The sales guy from Zegna -- who of course was outfitted in a sweet Zegna 3-button -- asked me if I needed any help. I said I was just browsing for suits and ties. He was very nice and said he'd be right there if I had any questions. He then said, "I like your shirt" and walked away.

    So that's throwing some props out to Nautica.
     

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