Lobb Paris vs. Lobb London vs. Cleverly???

[kcc]

Originally Posted by zjpj83

Yes, Cleverley seems significantly more au bon marchÃ

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zjpj83 ~

Just out of curiosity, & you can PM me if you wish. Why not Mr. Gaziano's bespoke? His shoes are simply exquisite.

 

[sysdoc]

Originally Posted by J.P. Myhre

bengal-stripe, Do you really have to pay local british VAT within the union? According to my knowledge export is export and the goods are sold without VAT. But, there might be local rules depended on the product sold. I have not experienced a consistent policy in Europe yet! Please, advice me?
AFAIK legally, you're obliged to pay the VAT of the EU country you're a resident of. Amazon sure does it that way. You can order from the local Amazon of one country and have it shipped to another. Amazon will charge you the VAT of the country it ships to.

 

[zjpj83]

Originally Posted by kcc

zjpj83 ~

Just out of curiosity, & you can PM me if you wish. Why not Mr. Gaziano's bespoke? His shoes are simply exquisite.
I agree. My concern is for the long-term. Ten years from now, say he retires; Cleverley will still be business, still have my lasts, still be able to resole my shoes for me. It's a minor concern, but a concern nonetheless. That said, I am seriously considering Tony.

I spoke to George Glasgow and he said Cleverley is around 1800 GBP (with VAT evidently)... A bit more than quoted here, it would seem.

 

[jcusey]

Originally Posted by zjpj83

I agree. My concern is for the long-term. Ten years from now, say he retires; Cleverley will still be business, still have my lasts, still be able to resole my shoes for me. It's a minor concern, but a concern nonetheless. That said, I am seriously considering Tony.

I think you might have this backwards. George Glasgow and John Carnera made Cleverley what it is. Both have to be in their 60s, and it would not be surprising if either or both has at least thought about retirement. I have no doubt that the Cleverley firm will survive, but will Glasgow and Carnera's successors have the same dedication to quality and service? Perhaps, perhaps not.

I'm not advocating that you not give your business to Cleverley or should instead use Tony Gaziano. I'm just pointing out that the intergenerational continuity is a concern for both Cleverley and Gaziano and probably more so with Cleverley than Gaziano.

 

[zjpj83]

jcusey - very good point.

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by J.P. Myhre

Do you really have to pay local british VAT within the union? According to my knowledge export is export and the goods are sold without VAT.
Within the European Union, VAT is always included in the retail price charged to the end-consumer (but usually not in the wholesale trade-price). Rates do vary from country to country (Germany: 16%; UK: 17.5%; Sweden: 25%). VAT paid in one country is regarded as being paid in every other county of the Union. If you buy in Sweden you pay the Swedish rate, even when you take the article back to Germany, you cannot get the Swedish tax back; hoping to save by paying the German rate. Equally it works the other way round; if you buy in a low VAT country you save money to take it back to your high tax country.

Only residents from outside the European Union can claim the tax back. For goods bought in a shop and taken by the buyer, they have to demonstrate through a customs-stamped form, that the goods have left the EU. If the goods are to be sent by the retailer to an address outside the EU, the dealer can take the VAT off. But again, only to addresses outside of the EU. The buyer has to pay the necessary customs charges in his home country (or if he takes the goods in the hand luggage, he might conveniently "˜forget' about it.)

 

[sysdoc]

25% "value added tax" in Sweden! Sweet Jesus! And then there's people complaining about the NYC sales tax!

 

[LabelKing]

There's also Dmitri Gomez.

 

[von Rothbart]

Originally Posted by sysdoc

And then there's people complaining about the NYC sales tax!

Which by the way is not refundable in Beverley Hills.