John Lobb Saint Crepin Limited Edition...

[DWFII]

Originally Posted by RIDER

Lobb, on the other hand, knows exactly what they are doing pattern/last/material wise, and they know how to market and serve their core customer. I know people here throw darts at them due to the prices, but like I said, their guy doesn't worry much with price and I don't think they have much need to explain. From my side of the fence, they are as well organized as anyone out there....admire them alot.
Well said!

 

[bengal-stripe]

Originally Posted by RIDER

Lobb, on the other hand, knows exactly what they are doing pattern/last/material wise, and they know how to market and serve their core customer.

I'm not quite sure, I would subscribe to that.

In recent years, JL & Co (shoemakers in Oliver Street, Northampton) has come up with a
more and more fancy and overly designed range and neglected all their classic designs.
For a company like JL to have stopped their style "˜Perrier', is almost a crime."˜

Perrier' (three-eyelet plain derby/blucher) comes as near to perfection as is possible in this imperfect world.

Just to demonstrate JL's tendency to overkill, here is a boot from last years winter collection:

It got laces, it got buckles and to top it all, it has a zip as well.

Just as with JM Weston, I blame it all on Berluti.

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"Less is more"
Ludwig Mies van der Rohe

"Less is a bore"
Robert Venturi

 

[lasbar]

I'm not quite sure, I would subscribe to that.

In recent years, JL & Co (shoemakers in Oliver Street, Northampton) has come up with a
more and more fancy and overly designed range and neglected all their classic designs.
For a company like JL to have stopped their style "˜Perrier', is almost a crime."˜

Perrier' (three-eyelet plain derby/blucher) comes as near to perfection as is possible in this imperfect world.

Just to demonstrate JL's tendency to overkill, here is a boot from last years winter collection:

It got laces, it got buckles and to top it all, it has a zip as well.

Just as with JM Weston, I blame it all on Berluti.



Berluti introduced a lot of people to the world of colourful and vivid patinas and what i call make up shoes....

They also open the door to more elaborated lasts...

JM WESTON and Lobb have followed that trend ,stopping their iconic models to produce more and more complete lasts ...

Elegance is simplicity..

 

[MyOtherLife]

Originally Posted by dragonxking

i still prefer the william/william2. i like my double monks with a captoe

Agreed wholeheartedly, yet these are beauties.

 

[Xiaogou]

Originally Posted by Siggy

Nothing except bullshit.

"crafted"..."prestigious"...yada yada bullshit "overpriced"

Yada yada you can't afford it.

 

[Shikar]

After a long time Lobb looks to hit a home run IMO.

Regards.

 

[edmorel]

just what's been missing from the RTW shoe market, double monks.

 

[RIDER]

Originally Posted by bengal-stripe

I'm not quite sure, I would subscribe to that.

In recent years, JL & Co (shoemakers in Oliver Street, Northampton) has come up with a
more and more fancy and overly designed range and neglected all their classic designs.
For a company like JL to have stopped their style "˜Perrier', is almost a crime."˜

Perrier' (three-eyelet plain derby/blucher) comes as near to perfection as is possible in this imperfect world.

Just to demonstrate JL's tendency to overkill, here is a boot from last years winter collection:

It got laces, it got buckles and to top it all, it has a zip as well.

Just as with JM Weston, I blame it all on Berluti.

------------------------------------------------------------

"Less is more"
Ludwig Mies van der Rohe

"Less is a bore"
Robert Venturi

That boot is outstanding, IMO. And goes to my point.....not everything is destined, or planned, to sell in volume - niche items are very important. Something like this...a special item....sell 18 pair be happy. From a pattern perspective the lines, balance and details of that boot are spot on. Not to mention interesting. Why is it necessary for everything to be boring?

The 'stodgy old fart' business is a dead business. And those that continue to offer the same ol **** - good luck to 'em.

Like Knowles said 'evolve or perish'.

These days more than ever -

 

[GBer]

Originally Posted by bengal-stripe

In recent years, JL & Co (shoemakers in Oliver Street, Northampton) has come up with a
more and more fancy and overly designed range and neglected all their classic designs.

Guess who owns JL? That answers why.

 

[GBer]

Originally Posted by RIDER

You can say what you want about JL prices, but there are, far and away, the best shoes that come thru my hands for re-finishing. Actually, none come to me for 'refinishing', only a different finish....I get plenty of $1000 shoes that need to be RE-finished (i.e. fixed).

Besides, I don't think their target customer is really concerned about price.


RIDER,

What's your opinion of EGs? How are they when you re-finish them?

 

[voxsartoria]

Originally Posted by DWFII

Well said!

RIDER is talkin' about Hermes Lobb, not Lobb Bootmaker.

They're still nice shoes, gemming and all.


- B

 

[JamesX]

I just saws them at the John Lobb store in South Coast Plaza. Side by side I much prefer the Chapel.

 

[Xiaogou]

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

RIDER is talkin' about Hermes Lobb, not Lobb Bootmaker.

They're still nice shoes, gemming and all.


- B

G&G RTW/MTO gemmed?

 

[DWFII]

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

RIDER is talkin' about Hermes Lobb, not Lobb Bootmaker. They're still nice shoes, gemming and all. - B
Yeah, I kind of got that after the fact. But I wasn't. Nevertheless, I could agree with you and Rider...despite their limitations.

 

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by RIDER

That boot is outstanding, IMO. And goes to my point.....not everything is destined, or planned, to sell in volume - niche items are very important. Something like this...a special item....sell 18 pair be happy. From a pattern perspective the lines, balance and details of that boot are spot on. Not to mention interesting. Why is it necessary for everything to be boring?

The 'stodgy old fart' business is a dead business. And those that continue to offer the same ol **** - good luck to 'em.

Like Knowles said 'evolve or perish'.

These days more than ever -

I wish I could see this through your eyes, Ron. I'm very sympathetic to the argument that clothing should be fun and interesting, and acknowledge that the old guard must adapt or die. But I look at that boot and see a lot of detailing that serves no real purpose, that exists just because. If this were just a funky experiment, a la some of Grenson's crazier offerings, I'd write it off as not my cup of tea and move on. But with Lobb, it increasingly feels like every style is a niche style. Maybe I'm cynical, but it seems like they're aiming for maximum recognizability as LOBB. It's gimmickry, meant to draw the eye and telegraph pedigree the same as if it had a big PRADA logo on it. Admittedly, I'm pretty stodgy on this front, but I find that off-putting.

Clearly, I'm not the target Lobb customer. But it still seems schizophrenic: "Traditional English shoemaker of the highest caliber" and "Avant-garde fashion house for those who wish to be seen"? Uneasy bedfellows at best, I'd say.