I'm gonna buy a BLACK suit.

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by dreamspace, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. charliebrown2

    charliebrown2 Senior member

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    I often hear to get charcoal instead of black...but charcoal is so dark that it's often mistaken for black....right?
     
  2. Veremund

    Veremund Senior member

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    No, there's a clear difference between black and charcoal.

    For the record, there is no reason not to wear a black suit in the evenings. The contrast of black and white looks great in low lighting.
     
  3. Steve Papas

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    Not interested in flaming you, but my desire to not wear black suits has nothing to do with whether they look good on me. Black tends to look better in the evening and this has been indicated many times. I get plenty of positive comments and attention on navy and charcoal suits and odd jackets and have no need to wear black. The opinion of sales associates may well be shaped by what they have to sell or what their company is known for, not be actual adherence to tradition or rules of dressing (see, e.g., rental tux people telling you your entire wedding party should match). Most sales associates in my experience are not that useful, with the occasional exception. I also can't comment on differences between Toronto and other places.

    I personally don't care what color suit you wear. I care more about how you wear it, whether it fits, etc. That said, the idea that black is not generally appropriate is more than an opinion of people here. Perhaps it is merely the collected opinion of clothing and etiquette experts for the past century, but it is at the very least more than a mere SF opinion. There are rules and traditions that are worth paying attention to. You are free to disregard them, and more power to you if the look you pull off in black gets more positive attention than a similar look in navy or charcoal (though you may be the only person I've ever herad make this claim). Educated breaking of rules is perfectly fine too. That said, there still are rules and one should know what they are before making an educated decision to break them. A black suit does violate the rules. If you decide it suits your skin tone and looks better on you, go nuts. But don't claim that there aren't rules that say otherwise. I do not get the sense that you are making this claim, but people who read this thread should understand that rules do exist. They may not be commonly known, but they do exist, and breaking them should be an informed decision that begins with being informed on what the rules are.
     
  5. Hayward

    Hayward Senior member

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    Black suits look cheap.
     
  6. ykurtz

    ykurtz Senior member

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    I hear once you go black, you can never go back. So be careful.
     
  7. Petepan

    Petepan Senior member

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    I thought that only applies to painting and coffee.
     
  8. RogerP

    RogerP Senior member

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    Steve Papas - very well said.
     
  9. HughJ

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    FWIW the first 3 suits I purchased in my adult life were black and I am aware of their broad acceptance among the general populace. The existence of this forum is to discuss standards which are hopefully a cut above that, though. Or several cuts above depending on where you live (Canada in my case LOL). I would suggest looking at icons of the past if you would like a broader range of opinions rather than the general populace, lest you'll be headed down the dark path of hybrid shoes and polyester golf shirts as well.




    +1 There is that, too. I wonder if the OP owns or has considered a tuxedo?
     
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  10. archibaldleach

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    I think that nicer black suits do not have the same problem of looking cheap. Perhaps slightly by comparison as black gives you less of an interesting canvas for some weaves and it may be harder to appreciate good black cloth, but I think the real problem is with the cheap black suits sold at a place like Men's Warehouse.

    Seeing as OP mentioned wearing this to funerals, a tuxedo seems a bit out of place. Perhaps for the nights out part if he doesn't own one.
     
  11. HughJ

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    LOL yes it would. I meant since he's already got various types of charcoal suits, if he wants to make a "since I don't have one" purchase.....
     
  12. RogerP

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    Agreed. I think cheap suits of all colours and patterns generally look cheap - and arguably cheap black suits wear their cheapness even more prominently.

    But the categorical assertion that "black suits look cheap" is very much symptomatic of the reactionary auto-trashing that takes place whenever the subject of black suits is raised here.
     
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    While we're on the topic, there's a question I've had for some time, and I'd love to hear some opinions. It's obvious that wearing a black suit during the day is shunned (or at least it is by the SF crowd). However, the classic colour for a morning coat or stroller jacket is black. Since these items are intended to be worn during the day, what is it that makes the black morning coat/stroller jacket acceptable? Is it the fact that the lighter-coloured (& patterned) pants of a morning dress/stroller ensemble offset the severity of the black jacket in daylight? Or is there some other reason why this works, but a black lounge suit would not?
     
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  14. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    Yes
     

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