Crockett and Jones Audley vs Allen Edmonds Park Avenue

[acidboy]

From my experience with C&J I'd go a full size down.

 

[serce]

Originally Posted by LeicaLad

The Park Avenue in a 10EEE is a perfect fit for me.

Given the lack of width option in the Audley, do I take a 9 or a 9.5?

I'd really appreciate the help, as I'm a long way from a place to try one on.

Thanks.

Dear Leica,
I'm sorry for my very poor English.......

I have a Park Avenue in size 9.5 EEE and these shoes are perfect fit for me.
I have Audely shoes too. I choose 9.5 E UK size (on suggestion of Shyam of PLal) and the size
is very good for me. A little snug but very good. So I always order size 9.5 for model 337 CJ s and I'm very happy. So I think (*** grano salis) You are 10 E UK for 337 CJ.
If you are unsure I suggest to you to try some others english shoes. As matter of fact I am in church's shoes 9.5 UK F (For Church's F is normal width as E for CJ).

p.s. Between Park Avenue and Audley I prefer Audley every time on PA. Park Avenue only in rain time or if I have to drive the car.

 

[apropos]

E to CJ = 1 one size, at least that what's plal tells me.

 

[RanMan]

Another vote for C&J. +1 on the advice to go down a full size, however the narrow width of your foot might be an issue. I'm a 10.5C and ordered the Belgrave in 9.5E (337 last) and felt like I was swimming in it, particularly at the heel. With B width hooves, I think you're gonna run into this same problem, sorry to say.

 

[LeicaLad]

Thanks, Serce... I think...

This is the reason I've yet to get a pair of C&J shoes. With no chance to try any on, I hate dropping serious coin on shoes that don't fit.

I've generally understood that it is best to size down one full size (-1) for average width feet, but down only half size (-.5) for the E to EEE feet on a last like the 337 C&J Handgrade.

Then, I get this msg saying to chose the SAME size. Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!

SOMEday, I'll travel to a country that actually has a C&J store. (Bouncing between Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and VN in October and November, I thought I might get to KL, but the schedule didn't allow it. Darn!) Guess I'll have to wait until that day. Sigh.

Originally Posted by serce

Dear Leica,
I'm sorry for my very poor English.......

I have a Park Avenue in size 9.5 EEE and these shoes are perfect fit for me.
I have Audely shoes too. I choose 9.5 E UK size (on suggestion of Shyam of PLal) and the size
is very good for me. A little snug but very good. So I always order size 9.5 for model 337 CJ s and I'm very happy. So I think (*** grano salis) You are 10 E UK for 337 CJ.
If you are unsure I suggest to you to try some others english shoes. As matter of fact I am in church's shoes 9.5 UK F (For Church's F is normal width as E for CJ).

p.s. Between Park Avenue and Audley I prefer Audley every time on PA. Park Avenue only in rain time or if I have to drive the car.

 

[A Guy from Shanghai]

In general, C&J 337 last is much more elegant/refined than AE last 8

But you are a size 8.5B in AE park avenue? AE last 8 is very narrow, and C&J 337 is a elongated last. Thus, if you can find a Audley in your fitting, the shoes will be looooong & naaaaarow. I am not sure in this case, sorry.

 

[Lawman]

I have both shoes, and there truly is no comparison. I applied some leather conditioner to both last night. After application and buffing, the C&J leather has depth and character, almost like polished wood or a horse chestnut. The AE leather really has none of that. Just a brown color. I really can't help too much with sizing. I am a U.S. 13D, and I buy the UK 12 on the 337. They are a little large on me.

 

[Lawman]

I have both shoes, and there truly is no comparison. I applied some leather conditioner to both last night. After application and buffing, the C&J leather has depth and character, almost like polished wood or a horse chestnut. The AE leather really has none of that. Just a brown color. I really can't help too much with sizing. I am a U.S. 13D, and I buy the UK 12 on the 337. They are a little large on me.

 

[polar-lemon]

Originally Posted by A Guy from Shanghai

In general, C&J 337 last is much more elegant/refined than AE last 8

But you are a size 8.5B in AE park avenue? AE last 8 is very narrow, and C&J 337 is a elongated last. Thus, if you can find a Audley in your fitting, the shoes will be looooong & naaaaarow. I am not sure in this case, sorry.

PA runs narrow, but is on the 5 last, not 8.

 

[unpainted huffheinz]

Does the C&J come in a B width? The E fitting C&J will fall right off a foot that takes a B width #5 last AE.

edit: The C&J catalog confirms that the only oxford in a C fitting is the Bedford which is available only in black.

 

[A Guy from Shanghai]

Originally Posted by polar-lemon

PA runs narrow, but is on the 5 last, not 8.

That is right, i stand correct.