Cool furniture, design objects and desiderata

[gdl203]

Wait a second... so that is not a real Basquiat? ?

 

[TheFoo]

I'm trying to figure out what about the relic'd nocaster appeals to you. It's authentically Fender, but inauthentically that guitar. It's equivalent to factory distressed designer jeans, which doesn't seem like the sort of thing you'd be into. To be clear, while relic'd guitars are not my jam, if you like them that's great. Just bewildering.

To some extent the Relic’ing is a compromise for me. Off-the-shelf Custom Shop guitars are almost all Relics. Virtually all master-built ones are. So, unless you want to wait 1-2 years for your own custom master-built Fender or roll the dice on a custom team-built guitar, you’re likely to wind up with a Relic. Also, Relics are usually privileged with lighter woods, thinner finishes, de-magnetized pickups, etc., which are genuine advantages. You could get around that with a custom order, but see above.

On a conceptual level, I came around a bit too. The reality is that any reissued Fender is a nostalgic fantasy guitar and pretender to begin with. Relic’ing is just traveling further down that path.

Practically, I will say: (1) the worn neck feels AMAZING and (2) I practice a lot more now that I can leave my guitar out in the open without worrying about my kids banging it up.

The guitar is super-light at 6.2 lbs. It plays and sounds fantastic. So, in combination with all of the above considerations, I went for it.

 

[sugarbutch]

To some extent the Relic’ing is a compromise for me. Off-the-shelf Custom Shop guitars are almost all Relics. Virtually all master-built ones are. So, unless you want to wait 1-2 years for your own custom master-built Fender or roll the dice on a custom team-built guitar, you’re likely to wind up with a Relic. Also, Relics are usually privileged with lighter woods, thinner finishes, de-magnetized pickups, etc., which are genuine advantages. You could get around that with a custom order, but see above.

On a conceptual level, I came around a bit, too. The reality is that any reissued Fender is a nostalgic fantasy guitar and pretender to begin with. Relic’ing is just more of the same.

Practically, I will say: (1) the worn neck feels AMAZING and (2) I practice a lot more now that I can leave my guitar out in the open without worrying about my kids banging it up.

That makes sense. Did you consider any non-Fender Teles?

 

[TheFoo]

That makes sense. Did you consider any non-Fender Teles?

Honestly? No. “Fender” is too romantic and nostalgic a part of what is a fundamentally romantic and nostalgic hobby for me.

 

[trafficjam]

Warhol decks? What is this, Alien Workshop in 2010? ho ho ho.

 

[Big A]

Wait a second... so that is not a real Basquiat? ?

I was thinking about it in the terms that I described in an earlier post. Obviously it’s not a real basquait - My question more related to the fact that it was printed on a skateboard.

I thought this thread was all about quality and authenticity and all that dumb ****. So it seemed a little weird to be having that conversation and not talking about the art that was co-opted by MOMA to put on a skateboard. If it was VCJ art on the skateboard, for example, it would make more sense.

I don’t begrudge Foo for putting it on his wall, but there is something about putting a street artist repro on a skateboard just to make it edgy that I question.

 

[ericgereghty]

The last three or so pages of this thread is peak SF, without question.

What a read.

 

[emptym]

Hmm...

I knew there was something familiar about that pot.

 

[otc]

(2) I practice a lot more now that I can leave my guitar out in the open without worrying about my kids banging it up.

Uh... How do you think the old guitars they copied got that banged up look in the first place?

 

[TheFoo]

Wait a second... so that is not a real Basquiat? ?

It is “real” in that his estate licensed the work and it is not pretending to be the original. It is not “real” in that he didn’t paint directly onto the boards.

It’s not like someone else attempted to make an exacting copy of the original work using the same materials, medium, and proportions . . .

 

[TheFoo]

Uh... How do you think the old guitars they copied got that banged up look in the first place?

Decades of gigging and other intense abuse by actual players.

If someone like me buys a brand new guitar that looks brand new, it will just look nicked here and there after decades of strumming in the basement—slightly and unfortunately damaged, not beautifully worn and distressed.

 

[gdl203]

It is “real” in that his estate licensed the work and it is not pretending to be the original.

So it’s okay because it’s legal. Pretty low bar!

(I’m just ******* with you btw)

 

[TheFoo]

So it’s okay because it’s legal. Pretty low bar!

(I’m just ******* with you btw)

Not simply because it’s legal, but because there is some formalized connection and legitimacy tethered to the artist. He left authority to those he chose to exercise it. Also, as mentioned, I happen to think the particular juxtaposition in this case is interesting in its own right.

The considerations for furniture and design are a little different.

 

[gdl203]

I dunno man, I think it’s a massive stretch. What artist estates do is often quite divorced from the artist’s work and philosophy. I have flashes of the Citroen Picasso, what with the signature on the side and all (maybe @RJman knows what I’m taking about). I don’t know what’s real about inventing a work of art entirely, in a medium the artist never used... anyhow... The sentimental value here trumps the realness of this art so I’m cool with that.

 

[TheFoo]

Hmm...
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I knew there was something familiar about that pot.
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Oh ****, I’d forgotten that horrible atrocity. It killed a small part of me to install it.