So no more collar stays. Is this like the SF equivalent of bra burning? I can't use collar stays anymore because my shirts were made without a place to put them. Like you, I think the resulting roll is nice. But I imagine this depends greatly on the kind of collar you're working with. Maybe you're just embracing your inner Italian. I probably shouldn't bother, but if I took the task of replacing teh collar stays in my shirts after ironing away from my wife, she would probably feel like her life had lost a bit of meaning. Your wife likes to iron? How'd you pull that one off?