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Baroni (Wizard of Ahhs) - Suit Review

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by cinciesquire, Aug 11, 2010.

  1. taxgenius

    taxgenius Senior member

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    I'd like to take the opportunity to revive this thread.

    I recently ordered a Baroni model (solid navy, flat-front trou) and it's on the way as I type.

    Please read this disclaimer: I am NOT, I repeat NOT, a suit mogul. In fact, I am a student and a broke one at that.

    This is precisely why I became interested in checking out one of these suits from Jeff in the first place. However unfortunate, I am simply not in the market for $5,000 suits, or $2,400 suits selling for $1,900, or even $600 suits.

    Simply, I need a solid in color suit that fits well, won't get me laughed out of a job interview for an internship, or barred from entry at happy hour downtown. That's it.

    FWIW, I've been in touch with Jeff since day 1 via e-mail and he's been reachable and incredibly helpful. His essential message was I'm selling you a suit that meets your requirements on the cheap and even rivals some models found at a higher price point.

    With that said, I plan to take the suit over to my tailor when I get a chance and have him hook me up. After, I'll post some pics and deliver my thoughts.
    Perhaps my review won't be highly technical. Nor will I be able to make a direct comparison between the Baroni and my $3,900 purple label suit that I (don't) have in the back of my closet. But, I'll be able to give an objective analysis about how the suit feels. Plus, I'll have a chance to make a determination as to whether I think I got my $280 worth.

    Stay tuned if you're interested.

    - E63


    I bet you he will say he can't believe how little you spent on the suit.
     
  2. borsaj

    borsaj Member

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    rec'vd my Valentino suit from Wizard of Ahs,

    valentino is the slimmer cut than the baroni/daniele lines.

    it was $285 (excluding shipping), i have a moderate knowledge of suits
    and have a good range of cheaper suits along w/ a nicer one (which to me is a $700 suit)

    and as most have noted the big question is how good it is for the price.
    my general impression is that its definitely worth the price at $300 unless you can score
    a great discount off the rack then its tricky to say.

    overall the suit fits my 40R frame fairly well, it needs to be taken in around the waist as it doesnt pinch in the way i see on good pictures, it kind of drapes straight down. im not sure if this is a sizing issue or a design-quality issue.

    i find theres a bit of a gap b/w the top of the lapel and my shirt collar (not sure if thats the right term), the lapels seem a bit smallish for an italian-styled suit imho.

    the material appears to be good, i have a charcoal grey and its solid. i dont appreciate the different between fully and half-paneled/fused suits, so i cant claim to know the difference. It does hang well in the ways a banana republic suit does not. visually i see the difference between that and a tip top $400 calvin klein suit.

    the pants are a bit tight on me but thats a weight issue!!! ha!! but they do seem to fit a bit odd!!

    overall a good buy at $300
     
  3. HarleyBob

    HarleyBob Senior member

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    I purchased several of Jeff's suits when I was going through a major weight loss period (80 pounds total.) I needed something that I could have fitted, lose more weight, have adjusted and then given away. His suits were perfect for that. They looked great and in the end I didn't worry about giving them away as I hadn't spent much on them in the first place.

    I was impressed with what I was getting for the dollars I spent. For anyone that wants a reasonably constructed suit for a very reasonable price, this isn't a bad option.
     
  4. oaw01

    oaw01 Senior member

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    Interesting.. I guess I need to dig out the Valentino suit I purchased years ago and see if a tailor can do magic with it. I need to see how it compares to my RLBLs.
     
  5. reidrothchild

    reidrothchild Senior member

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    The only people who seem to say positive things about these suits are people who don't really have a point of reference. Five years ago, if you'd have asked me if my MW suits were a good value at $250, I'd have said "yes" simply because I didn't know any better. I will repeat my comment from earlier in this thread about looking at a Baroni/Danielle sportcoat in real life and finding it in no way discernable from the average sport coat at Macy's or MW. If someone who owns one believes they are better, why not post pics to prove it?
     
  6. phxlawstudent

    phxlawstudent Senior member

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    At $309, you can get a J. Abboud at Nordstrom's Rack. Sure, it'll probably be a pinstripe, but they have a lot of midnight navy right now.

    Comparing the Baroni suit to that suit, at that price point, I would like to question how good of a deal Baroni really is. That said, the real deal with Baroni that I see is that you can get a solid staple color any time of the year for a decent price.

    Some info on J. Abboud. Its half canvassed. I hear the Baronis are half canvassed too. The J. Abboud is made with a pretty nice wool, the midnight navy ones at the Rack are made with Loro Piana. And if your really patient or lucky, the Rack knocks them down an additional 75%. Saw a Canali for $800 - 75% while I was browsing. Too bad it didn't fit and was a weird color. Maybe I should've flipped it...
     
  7. reidrothchild

    reidrothchild Senior member

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    That's another good point: if you're buying from the Wizard, you can't inspect and try on the suit before pulling the trigger. That in itself makes it unfair to compare these suits to those from brick and mortar stores that have a presence every town in America like JAB and MW. If someone is looking for the "best $300 suit on the internet," they can absolutely do better any day of the week on B&S or Ebay.
     
  8. toslat

    toslat Well-Known Member

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    Listing a high MSRP and then claiming a huge discount is primarily a marketing ploy imo. A lot of consumers, particularly, in the US respond more to discounts than absolute value, while some believe quality is correlated to MSRP (i.e. the more expensive , the better the quality).

    I would not be suprised if the suits were listed at $300 and his sales plummeted sharply. Consumers are an irrational bunch.
     
  9. borsaj

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    yes i suspect a full comparison would be a great idea by a qualifed suit afficianado.

    give them a baroni, a mid level BB, banana republic, a nicer fused suit like a ben sherman and see if they can give their call on the better suit.
     
  10. goatee87

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    Firstly, I am no longer a lurker. Congratulate me.

    Been luring and reading up on suits for about a month now. I couldn't afford more than $400 and that budget included alterations. So after considering Gilt (i am now convinced that this site sucks balls but now i have $130 locked up there), Indochino (too time consuming and inconsistent), local school subsidized MTM offers (oxxford suit starting at $490), and various department store brands, I decided to go with Jeff for my first real suit.

    First impressions, I think the fabric looks and feels great (went with solid charcoal). As for fit. The pants are I think a good start. Previous comments are correct, its not slim but its not baggy either. I am relatively thin and short, but i think the fit of these pants are actually pretty good. Its not too fashion forward but looks better than you're typical conservative office suit pants. I need to get it hemmed before I can get a full feel for it.

    The jacket needs some work. It's the right length for me. Overall I like the drape and the sleeves are for once almost there (i normally wear a 32/33 shirt). The shoulders fit okay (though might be slightly on the larger side). Waist/mid section needs a couple of inches of suppression (i.e. pinching the fabric in the back by about 2 inches). The arms holes are definitely very low which gives the suit a boxier look. I do have the dimple, divet problem between the shoulders and where my sleeves go in. Personally, I tried on a slim fit suit at a calvin klein outlet and felt that the jacket hugged my shoulders better than baroni overall. But the Ck one had softer shoulders too so maybe its comparing apples to oranges.

    I am taking it to the tailor tomorrow for the final verdict but overall I like it for the price point. It definitely looks and feels like a higher quality suit than anything I've tried on at a dept store.
     
  11. taxgenius

    taxgenius Senior member

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    Firstly, I am no longer a lurker. Congratulate me.

    Been luring and reading up on suits for about a month now. I couldn't afford more than $400 and that budget included alterations. So after considering Gilt (i am now convinced that this site sucks balls but now i have $130 locked up there), Indochino (too time consuming and inconsistent), local school subsidized MTM offers (oxxford suit starting at $490), and various department store brands, I decided to go with Jeff for my first real suit.

    First impressions, I think the fabric looks and feels great (went with solid charcoal). As for fit. The pants are I think a good start. Previous comments are correct, its not slim but its not baggy either. I am relatively thin and short, but i think the fit of these pants are actually pretty good. Its not too fashion forward but looks better than you're typical conservative office suit pants. I need to get it hemmed before I can get a full feel for it.

    The jacket needs some work. It's the right length for me. Overall I like the drape and the sleeves are for once almost there (i normally wear a 32/33 shirt). The shoulders fit okay (though might be slightly on the larger side). Waist/mid section needs a couple of inches of suppression (i.e. pinching the fabric in the back by about 2 inches). The arms holes are definitely very low which gives the suit a boxier look. I do have the dimple, divet problem between the shoulders and where my sleeves go in. Personally, I tried on a slim fit suit at a calvin klein outlet and felt that the jacket hugged my shoulders better than baroni overall. But the Ck one had softer shoulders too so maybe its comparing apples to oranges.

    I am taking it to the tailor tomorrow for the final verdict but overall I like it for the price point. It definitely looks and feels like a higher quality suit than anything I've tried on at a dept store.


    I bet you he will say he can't believe how little you spent on the suit.
     
  12. dragon8

    dragon8 Senior member

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    I bet you he will say he can't believe how little you spent on the suit.

    and the material is the best he's felt.
     
  13. intent

    intent Senior member

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    Firstly, I am no longer a lurker. Congratulate me.

    Been luring and reading up on suits for about a month now. I couldn't afford more than $400 and that budget included alterations. So after considering Gilt (i am now convinced that this site sucks balls but now i have $130 locked up there), Indochino (too time consuming and inconsistent), local school subsidized MTM offers (oxxford suit starting at $490), and various department store brands, I decided to go with Jeff for my first real suit.


    [​IMG] Does not compute...
     
  14. Alex C

    Alex C Senior member

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    [​IMG] Does not compute...

    Seriously. Where do you go to school, supposing you aren't a plant?
     
  15. Kenneth Cole Haan

    Kenneth Cole Haan Senior member

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    I bought one of these before I joined this forum, for job interviews, when I knew nothing (especially about suits). But since I learned more, I haven't dared to wear it in public. Not only is it Shanghai Surprise manufacture (nothing wrong with the great city of Shanghai, but the company didn't built a factory in China for the traditional Chinese art of western suit tailoring) but I had it ghetto-altered at a dry cleaners, before I understood the value of a real tailor. I might give it away on craigslist.

    Thanks to this threak I'm going to cheggout B&S for some 2nd hand made-in-Italy action.

    What can I say, once you go Brioni, you can't go Baroni.
     
  16. goatee87

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    Seriously. Where do you go to school, supposing you aren't a plant?

    Michigan, its a student run establishment. The fabric is oxxford, the tailoring is done in boston somewhere. I might get one of those too, haven't decided yet. I didn't like the cheapest fabric they had and it goes up pretty fast from there.
     
  17. goatee87

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    Oh I should say... its fxxxing michigan, they don't have a nordstrom rack around here. Also, I've never had luck finding the highly sought after 38S on a clearance rack... so while I can dream about scoring a great deal, its never gonna happen in my case.

    I have yet to see anyone suggest a reasonable alternative for the sub $300 market and I am just not in a position to spend much more than that.
     
  18. R-H

    R-H Senior member

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    The only people who seem to say positive things about these suits are people who don't really have a point of reference

    Exactly, I bought a number of these suits when I was new to the AAAC forums in 2007. Not the best purchases I've ever made. Certainly not the type of suits that are likely to last many wears and dry cleanings. The Valentino suit I bought was particularly cheap.

    Now that I have a bit more experience with tailored goods, I couldn't imagine buying more of these suits.
     
  19. reidrothchild

    reidrothchild Senior member

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    Michigan, its a student run establishment. The fabric is oxxford, the tailoring is done in boston somewhere. I might get one of those too, haven't decided yet. I didn't like the cheapest fabric they had and it goes up pretty fast from there.

    In what sense is the fabric "oxxford"? I wasn't aware that Oxxford had their own mills (though they might). In any event, Oxxford is sought after because of the construction. If it's not made by Oxxford, it's not an Oxxford suit in any sense. I've never heard of an Oxxford selling for $490.
     
  20. intent

    intent Senior member

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    Michigan, its a student run establishment. The fabric is oxxford, the tailoring is done in boston somewhere. I might get one of those too, haven't decided yet. I didn't like the cheapest fabric they had and it goes up pretty fast from there.

    In what sense is the fabric "oxxford"? I wasn't aware that Oxxford had their own mills (though they might). In any event, Oxxford is sought after because of the construction. If it's not made by Oxxford, it's not an Oxxford suit in any sense. I've never heard of an Oxxford selling for $490.

    [​IMG]

    Maybe he meant Tom James, which is the same company as Oxxford. Unless you pay top dollar for Oxxford-quality TJ MTO suits, they are nowhere near the same quality. It's like calling a VW Golf an Audi R8.
     

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