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Baroni (Wizard of Ahhs) - Suit Review

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by cinciesquire, Aug 11, 2010.

  1. R-H

    R-H Senior member

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    I'd like to order a suit from them but they don't seem to have a return policy that I saw. I'm scared of ordering one and taking it to the tailor and they tell me it's more trouble than it's worth, I can't return it.

    You can return the suit, unaltered, but I wouldn't bother in the first place.
     


  2. gnumonic

    gnumonic Active Member

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    I'd probably buy one if he had any in my size... Why no 39R? A 40 is too big in the chest/shoulders and a 38 has pants that can only be let out to 1 inch short of my waist size.
     


  3. gvibes

    gvibes Senior member

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    Seems like I've read an almost identical review before - including the whole bit about the glowing review by the tailor. Not that I don't believe the story, but it seems outdated. Didn't the Wiz change the model names of the suits over a year ago? They are no longer Baroni's but Valentino (or whatever), Daniele and a couple of other models?
    Yeah, I don't know why, but what are listed as "Daniele" are actually labeled Baroni. I just picked one up a couple weeks ago.
    Did the owner choose the name Baroni to sound like Brioni or is it just a coincidence?
    I think it was the manufacturer, not the "wizard," who selected the name.
     


  4. Dewey

    Dewey Senior member

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    we need an "astroturf" icon
     


  5. amplifiedheat

    amplifiedheat Senior member

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    The jackets look a bit stiff and the lapels have a non-functioning keyhole lapel hole.

    Is it actually non-functioning, or have you just forgotten to clip the thread?
     


  6. cinciesquire

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    Wow, I thought there might be some skeptics, but not outright attack. And using something as meaningless as my post count to characterize my intentions? Unfortunate indeed, but no matter. For the other posters, here are my remaining thoughts (having just finished my first day wearing the suit). I am not a high-end buyer (my experience limited to J.A.B. and some Macy's), so I cannot compare to some of the brands mentioned. I know there are better quality suits out there, and in some cases, I assume they can be had for comparable prices (as our Canadian friend reports). Where I live, however, these options don't appear to be available. As far as the quality, my admittedly-inexperienced eyes were pleased. Others will disagree. Some of the details that were the subject of negative criticism in earlier posts are true:
    • The armholes are somewhat low (compared to, for example, my Indochino suit). I am neither slim nor trim, though, so this is not a concern for me.
    • The pants are not slim fitting, but I would not describe them as baggy or sac-like. Others may have different impressions.
    • It is true (at least on my suits) that there is faux stitching on the sleeve buttons intended to mimic surgeon cuffs. If this troubles you, then you may want to avoid purchasing. I admit it's a little hokey (ideally, I would prefer them to work or have no stitching at all), but it's nothing that keeps me up at night. After all, my favorite Canali blazer "suffers" from the same treatment.
    • I do agree the buttons do not seem first rate, but again, this is a detail of relative insignificance to me.
    • I'm not sure about returns, since I kept mine. I suggest emailing Jeff if you have questions - as I say, he was helpful to me.
    • I too was curious why odd sizes were not offered, as I generally fit a 41R. Unfortunately, though, I have put on some weight and needed a 42R (that was the reason I purchased the suits in the first place, since I was not willing to spend significant money on suits that would be too large in a year's time - hopefully [​IMG] )
    I think I've responded to the comments. I say again, Jeff was fair to me, and I told him I would return the kindness with a fair appraisal of his products on this site. I did not receive a discount, nor do I anticipate any future discounts if I order again. Also, in my ten or so posts (apparently a previous poster knows better than I [​IMG]), some on this sight have been gracious enough to offer advice - this is my effort to return the favor. Do with it what you will. I am on the road for work at the moment, but will be happy to post pics if legitimately requested. Regards.
     


  7. rnoldh

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    The Wizard himself, Jeff, used to post on AAAC and here too I think.

    He always seemed decent and honest.

    He didn.t try to fool anyone or present BS hype about his product.

    He was producing it as a product for a specific market and was pretty clear about it.

    I seem to remember that he started as one of the many, many that resold items on Ebay. Primarily stuff from thrifts and such. Then he realized that he would need a product source to reach the next level. He ended up as a manufacturer of sorts and one of Ebays biggest clothing sellers.

    If you take his operation in context, I think he has an excellent product and company.

    SF is a very tough audience and I.ve never heard of anyone complaining that the quality or value of his offerings is poor in relation to their prices.
     


  8. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Goon member

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    Sham buttonholes for the sleeve, albeit hand sewn and typically for two or three of the buttons furthest from the cuff rather than all, were common for bespoke English jackets. Having them all cut and "working" is a recent fashion stemming from a retreat from clothes as heritable and also a bit from the influence of expensive RTW mimicking visible, idealized features of bespoke clothing. The latter influence has fully trickled down to mass-production as well.

    Even today, though, a Savile Row tailor might prefer a sham versus nothing at all.

    - B
     


  9. Bull

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    I just took delivery of an Okksfort suit from a seller named "Tin Maan" and my female, Korean tailor (who also dry cleans any garment you bring her for 99 cents - and by "dry clean" I mean "shakes it out and then runs it through an industrial press that will leave even the most stubborn worsted wool with an elegant sheeny-shine") said that it was the greatest piece of tairoring she's ever seen. Better even than a suit she recently dry cleaned which was hand-fused by "Sam the Cold Beer Tailor" himself.

    Douchebaggotry aside, it's awesome that someone came up with a decent product at a great price point and went straight to the 'Bay with it. I wish the good Wizard all the success in the world.
     


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    "More importantly, when I picked the suits up from having them altered, my trusted tailor (who makes bespoke suits) could not stop going on about the quality of the material and construction, and did so without me asking"

    I could've sworn I saw that sentence used many times before.
     


  11. intent

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    It's the same thing as the Darya Trading guy on Amazon that I fell for once upon a time. Same sort of reviews where tailors are supposedly amazed and ordered some for themselves, commenting that it's well worth the price. Then other un-knowledgeable people drop in and mention how it's a sharp suit and how their husbands love it. You'll see mixed reviews of how people claim the fabric/construction is amazing, and others who say it's polyester.

    I'm not even going to post a link to Darya to dignify that asshole.

    Back to Baroni --- If they're so great, how come none of these so-called reviews have real world fit pics?
     


  12. david123

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    I remembered seeing that sentence too. Search for the word "tailor" on this page http://stores.ebay.com/The-Wizard-of...-ABOUT-US.html and you'll find many similar comments. I have no opinion on whether the reviews are real and am inclined to believe at least the above poster, but that's perhaps where you saw them.
     


  13. teddieriley

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    The Wizard himself, Jeff, used to post on AAAC and here too I think.

    He always seemed decent and honest.

    He didn.t try to fool anyone or present BS hype about his product.

    He was producing it as a product for a specific market and was pretty clear about it.


    From what I hear, he's responsive and great to deal with, and offers to send different sizes and allows return for suits that do not work out size wise. I will say that him not BS-hyping his product is not entirely accurate. He made the claim that his suits rivaled the top makers and bespoke, consequently setting off a 100 page thread and challenge for Andy to evaluate the suits. I think he has since been set into place as to his product and the intended market. But I dont' fault him, his marketing obviously worked.

    Sham buttonholes for the sleeve, albeit hand sewn and typically for two or three of the buttons furthest from the cuff rather than all, were common for bespoke English jackets. Having them all cut and "working" is a recent fashion stemming from a retreat from clothes as heritable and also a bit from the influence of expensive RTW mimicking visible, idealized features of bespoke clothing. The latter influence has fully trickled down to mass-production as well.

    Even today, though, a Savile Row tailor might prefer a sham versus nothing at all.

    - B


    When tailoring a RTW jacket, I asked a tailor who also does bespoke if he could just add the faux buttonhole stitching since I did not want to pay for the functioning holes for this particular jacket. He indicated that the amount of work would be roughly the same since they were equally "handmade" (not sure what he meant by that since I'm pretty sure real button holes were made with a machine) and he said it would look fine without them. Even if non-functioning, I still think the sleeves look nicer to have the button-hole stitching. I can certainly live with four buttons plastered on a sleeve, but if one wanted to fret over it, I do think it looks a bit odd.
     


  14. gvibes

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    Back to Baroni --- If they're so great, how come none of these so-called reviews have real world fit pics?
    I am taking my "Baroni" suit and my "Enzo Tovare" tuxedo to the tailor today.

    If they turn out OK, I will post some pics. But to be honest, I'm a great big fat person, so suits just aren't going to look that great on me.
     


  15. taxgenius

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    I am taking my "Baroni" suit and my "Enzo Tovare" tuxedo to the tailor today.


    Make sure to post: "when I picked the suits up from having them altered, my trusted tailor (who makes bespoke suits) could not stop going on about the quality of the material and construction, and did so without me asking."
     


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