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Lu Yang shoes appreciation thread

shirtingfantasy

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Lu Yang bespoke seamless wholecut oxford in Zonta museum calf

Hi all! I briefly searched the forum and found that Lu Yang (https://instagram.com/bespoke_shoemaker_luyang) hasn’t yet got a dedicated appreciation thread, so I thought it could be of interest to SF members to share the experience of my recent purchase as a new thread.

Lu is a self-taught bespoke shoemaker in Hangzhou, China. I accidentally came across his operation when I saw him mentioned by a local menswear critic, Dapperfield (https://www.facebook.com/dapperfield/), in early 2019. It was before I knew Lu joined the international shoemaking competition and got the 17th place (http://shoegazing.se/english/2019/0...ing-2019-all-competition-shoes-pt-2/#number17).

I did not meet Lu in person throughout my ordering, although he did came to Hong Kong for a trunk show in August (my shoes had been lasted by then). As I commissioned my pair before he started his collaboration with his HK trunk show organiser, Dashing House, I also felt that it would be a matter of decency to refrain from meeting Lu during his trunk show.

The electronic “bespoke” process comprised the followings: sending Lu photos of the desired design, measurements and foot photos (and discussions), Lu sends first fitting shoes (unwearable), feedback to Lu and further discussions, Lu sends second fitting shoes, still further feedbacks, and final delivery.

0. Initial consultation

Just a further bit of background: I have always wanted a pair of seamless wholecut oxfords and was hunting for the right maker at the start of 2019. There was a China maker who initially agreed to make the shoes for me but later declined (after I have actually purchased the leather from AA Crack & Sons, UK). It was how I ended up having a piece of Zonta museum calf going nowhere.

My specifications were therefore simple: a pair of seamless wholecuts in my provided leather. I also specified chisel toe.

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So it began with Lu sending me photos of different chisel toes he thought I may like. I liked the Aurum Chisel last from Antonio Meccariello, and so also asked him to take particular inspiration from that (the final outcome, as one shall see later, is rather different and in interesting ways).

And then I was asked to send him measurements of my own feet and photos of my feet from different angles.

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I also communicated to him my usual problem areas with RTW shows. Lu took note of those and proceed to making the custom last and trial shoes.

1. First fitting

After about three weeks, I received my trial shoes. The trial shoes were made from a beige colour leather, had no stiffeners and no arch support and were not wearable as real shoes.

Below is a photo of the right fitting shoe from Lu taken at his workshop:
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And this is actual state of the shoes when I received them:
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There was some tightness over the lateral toes that I noted. I also found the rather sharp lines of the last not too elegant. Lu noted both and agreed to refine the last shape.

Lu also asked me to trace the contour of my toes on the beige colour disposable trial shoes. And then he proceeded to further last modifications.

2. Second fitting

After another four weeks, Lu send me the second trial shoes. The shoes were still unwearable as real shoes, but he added arch support to help me better evaluate the fit.

The first thing I noted was the improved last shape. Still not ideal, and somewhat too slim - Lu argued that, as final shoes would be made with lining they "definitely would not be slim"; I found this slightly amusing since it means the fitting shoes would not allow me to visualize the final last shape.

I was asking Lu if he needed to widen some parts of the last to make shoes look less pointy.
On the left: 2nd fitting shoes
On the right: Meccariello Argentum Handwelted MTO in Chisel 2

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During the second fitting, I further indicate residual areas of tightness.
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Lu asked me to indicate where my toe tips would reach when flexing my feet.
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After that, Lu said he was confident and could begin making the final pair.

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[to be continued]
 

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3. The final shoes

After yet another two months, Lu told me that the shoes were ready. Shipment from Mainland China to Hong Kong was by the usual SF Express. During the wait, Lu actually did a trunk show in Hong Kong in collaboration with Dashing House Menswear (https://www.dashinghousehk.com/), yet another young bespoke operation in Hong Kong. As I commissioned my pair before they announced the collaboration (as a significantly lower price), I did not attend the trunk show as a matter of principle.

The packaging was not luxurious, but decent enough (similar to many artisanal makers in Italy).
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Narrow waist as requested. The shoe price included triumph metal toe plate already - personally installed by Lu on the day before shipping.
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Tapered... and most importantly seamless heel.
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What surprised me was the fit. Perhaps I did not have too much of an expectation for such an e-bespoke process, the shoes actually fit surprisingly well.
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There was a little bit of excess leather over the vamp. Guess this can only be corrected in my next order.
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"Stretch marks" - @bamboo said it is quite commonly seen on seamless wholecuts.
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Lu said that his wife tried to polish the shoes before sending them to me. But as can be seen from previous photos, it was a matte shine at best. To show the nuanced museum colour better, I decided to give the shoes a wax-based polish (Berluti/ Avel clear wax, fawn wax, dark brown wax, Kiwi Parade Gloss, dark brown wax). Not yet mirror shine, but a passable high shine.

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Finally, a couple of photos comparing the Lu Yang bespoke shoe and Meccariello Aurum RTW, and shoes in actual wear:
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I saw your photos on the bespoke shoe thread, and given the amount of excess leather that needs to disappear on the wholecut, my view is that the stretch marks are pretty negligible, or have to be accepted. A great contribution to the post, and a very fine shoe and good fit given the price point. Hats off to the artisan and your support to the craft! Enjoy
 

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Thank you both for your kind comments! I started the thread mostly to help show his good work to a wider audience (and to save answering my friends’ questions individually), and of course to share with fellow SF members the joy of getting a pair of really well-made shoes. ?

And @daizawaguy I do accept the stretch marks. In fact I have seen stretch marks even on Berluti seamless wholecut shoes (display shoes, not my own) - if finishing-oriented commercial brands couldn’t avoid it, I think there is probably no easy solution.
 

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Beautiful.
What was the cost and the total length of time for the process?

Zonta museum calf : GBP 270 (USD 337)
Leather shipment charges : GBP 100 (USD 125)
Making^ (old price 3/2019): RMB 4500 (USD 636)
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Total cost : USD 1098
^ Inclusive of 2 pairs of fitting shoes, lasted shoe trees, metal toe plates, and domestic shipping (within China)
Total time : 168 days
27.3.2019 - 11.9.2019


Note that providing the leather was entirely my own choice - and I did not ask for a discount, as it probably meant more troubles to Lu than less. Technically one can use Lu's own leather selection (which includes Annonay and Ilcea these days).

Also, please note that his price has increased in Jul/Aug 2019 and old price is no longer possible. International clients may contact him directly for the latest quote.

N.B. If one is based in Hong Kong, he should approach Dashing House (https://www.dashinghousehk.com/) for Lu's trunk show schedule and fees.
 
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3. The final shoes

After yet another two months, Lu told me that the shoes were ready. Shipment from Mainland China to Hong Kong was by the usual SF Express. During the wait, Lu actually did a trunk show in Hong Kong in collaboration with Dashing House Menswear (https://www.dashinghousehk.com/), yet another young bespoke operation in Hong Kong. As I commissioned my pair before they announced the collaboration (as a significantly lower price), I did not attend the trunk show as a matter of principle.

The packaging was not luxurious, but decent enough (similar to many artisanal makers in Italy).
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Narrow waist as requested. The shoe price included triumph metal toe plate already - personally installed by Lu on the day before shipping.
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Tapered... and most importantly seamless heel.
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What surprised me was the fit. Perhaps I did not have too much of an expectation for such an e-bespoke process, the shoes actually fit surprisingly well.
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There was a little bit of excess leather over the vamp. Guess this can only be corrected in my next order.
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"Stretch marks" - @bamboo said it is quite commonly seen on seamless wholecuts.
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Lu said that his wife tried to polish the shoes before sending them to me. But as can be seen from previous photos, it was a matte shine at best. To show the nuanced museum colour better, I decided to give the shoes a wax-based polish (Berluti/ Avel clear wax, fawn wax, dark brown wax, Kiwi Parade Gloss, dark brown wax). Not yet mirror shine, but a passable high shine.

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Finally, a couple of photos comparing the Lu Yang bespoke shoe and Meccariello Aurum RTW, and shoes in actual wear:
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Amazing post!
I saw Lu Yang's work during the London Supertrunk and very impressed.
The access to good leathers is always an obstacle for many Asian makers. It was a smart move for you to source your own leather.
I assume the leather is 12-16 sqft? Are there any left from making this pair?
 

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I checked my invoice from AA Crack & Sons and found that the size was 23.5 sq ft - a bit bigger than what many would like, but still of decent quality (one can see how fine the creasing was). Leather was a bit "porous" and very soft; the initial difficulty in polishing has been largely overcome as the pores become filled with wax. Below is a further round of polish, after initial wear (a whole day, without any pain or blister), with High Shine Paste Polish from Pure Polish (https://www.purepolishproducts.com/collections/all/products/high-shine-paste-polish). Unlike BootBlack high shine coat/ Kiwi Parade Gloss/ Saphir Mirror Shine this high shine polish retains a bit of nourishing effect and is super easy to spread, and I quite liked it.

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And yes - there was still enough leather to make 2-3 pairs of shoes from the leather (depending on the quality one is willing to accept). I have decided to leave the remaining leather to the full disposal of Lu as a token of thanks for his exceptional work in creating this pair of seamless wholecut.

If you are interested in using that, you may contact Lu. :cool:
 

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I checked my invoice from AA Crack & Sons and found that the size was 23.5 sq ft - a bit bigger than what many would like, but still of decent quality (one can see how fine the creasing was). Leather was a bit "porous" and very soft; the initial difficulty in polishing has been largely overcome as the pores become filled with wax. Below is a further round of polish, after initial wear (a whole day, without any pain or blister), with High Shine Paste Polish from Pure Polish (https://www.purepolishproducts.com/collections/all/products/high-shine-paste-polish). Unlike BootBlack high shine coat/ Kiwi Parade Gloss/ Saphir Mirror Shine this high shine polish retains a bit of nourishing effect and is super easy to spread, and I quite liked it.

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And yes - there was still enough leather to make 2-3 pairs of shoes from the leather (depending on the quality one is willing to accept). I have decided to leave the remaining leather to the full disposal of Lu as a token of thanks for his exceptional work in creating this pair of seamless wholecut.

If you are interested in using that, you may contact Lu. :cool:
What a generous gesture!
Will you stick to 1pair/hide for future projects? We could potentially team up leather sourcing
 

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Technically it’s the only way for me to achieve a similar level of leather quality compared to Meccariello Aurum ???
 

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Personally, I don't like the e-bespoke concept as bespoke is not only about clothes or shoes, but the service and interconnecting with the man who makes your belongings.
The shoes are definitely world class. I live in Nanjing, very close to Hangzhou. It worth a visit.
 

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Personally, I don't like the e-bespoke concept as bespoke is not only about clothes or shoes, but the service and interconnecting with the man who makes your belongings.
The shoes are definitely world class. I live in Nanjing, very close to Hangzhou. It worth a visit.

I agree. Since there is now high-speed rail in Hong Kong I may actually visit Lu later. Was just too busy for such a trip...
 

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