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Difficult enough buying Church's in person -- crazy sizing and quality control issues -- but forget about undertaking a purchase over the phone or 'net.
What's difficult about it. I go into their store on Madison every so often to kick the tires although I haven't bought a pair of their shoes for several years. I usually try on a couple of pairs and I never have sizing problems because basically I know my size on the various lasts they offer. I counsel anyone buying shoes from any manufacturer to make a note of the last, length and width fitting of any shoes he tries on. Once you've hit the optimum for you personally on that last that's all you need to know. Thereafter, that's all you order. Sometimes different styles can mean slight changes but in practice I have never found that it turned out wrong. So whether it's EG, Church's or whatever check out the last, length and width and you're not going to go far wrong.
Undoubtedly good advice, John, but in my case I have Church's Legate, Westbury and Consul shoe, sizes 9, 9.5 and 10 UK, respectively -- all from the same last. I normally wear a 10.5 US. I have a Grenson Chukka in 9 UK that feel like they're a half size too big. 'Love English shoes but what a pain getting 'em sized right.
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I'm not understanding are you saying you have 9, 9.5 and 10 size shoes and they all fit you?
There's also this curious paradox that if you go into a Church's shoe store in Britain they ONLY stock E fittings whereas in the US they have everything from B to F in my experience. When I lived in the UK a long time ago they used to have to order my fitting in. Here in the US you can pick it up off the shelf generally speaking.
Yup, same last, same width. Granted, bought my shoes at about five-year intervals, but more recently, with the Westburys, tried two pairs both in size 9.5 (one in bookbinder and the other in calf) and one pair fit and the other was too tight!
I can't remember what the Westbury is, is it the monkstrap?
Yes. used to be on 73 last.
I'm bound to say I don't follow any of this. It's not uncommon for shoe salesmen to give you wider fittings if they don't have your size in stock. For example a 10.5 D or E is probably going to accomodate your foot reasonably comfortably even if you are a size 11C as I am. The problem is it doesn't look as good and after you've been wearing them for a while they'll gape around the upper and start to bang your big toe. As I say you need to know exactly what your length and width fitting is on any particular last and don't settle for anything else. There's also this curious paradox that if you go into a Church's shoe store in Britain they ONLY stock E fittings whereas in the US they have everything from B to F in my experience. When I lived in the UK a long time ago they used to have to order my fitting in. Here in the US you can pick it up off the shelf generally speaking.
same remarkes from me: i have had 2 pairs on the 73 last which i sold later due to pain and miscomfort. as far as i remember, church offers a normal f-width (comperable to the c&j e-width) and a wider g-width. true, then the handbag people came (i like that expression
I've defended Church's to the hilt here, and I still think for $3-400, the old custom grades I used to buy were worth every penny. But I was just perusing one of the new mens mags (either GQ or Esky) and noticed a pair of Church's captoes listed at $800 . . . is this a typo? Is there a premium line now?
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