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heldentenor · Jan 25, 2015

Tie is far too similar in both color and scale to the jacket for me.

sugarbutch · Jan 25, 2015

It's been a while since I've seen a clean-shaven gdl. I thought it might be Cantabrigian.

gdl203 · Jan 26, 2015

TweedyProf said:
The mystery is what jacket Greg really wore that day.

At this point, I'm sure that the answer can only disappoint

but it was a grey sharkskin suit

gdl203 · Jan 26, 2015

sugarbutch said:
The fit that Murl just posted would work a lot better without the cardigan, IMO.

I really don't think so. The cardigan (any cardigan, maybe another one if you are not on board with the saturated blue experiment) creates that buffer zone between the two checks and makes the juxtaposition of the two actually visually pleasant rather than jarring (if they were more directly connected without cardi)

Coxsackie · Jan 26, 2015

gdl203 said:
I really don't think so. The cardigan (any cardigan, maybe another one if you are not on board with the saturated blue experiment) creates that buffer zone between the two checks and makes the juxtaposition of the two actually visually pleasant rather than jarring (if they were more directly connected without cardi)

Noticed this myself, and agree. However, there is still something not 100% right about that cardy - maybe the colour is just not quite perfect.

Couldn't you have done better here? Surely you have at least twenty cardigans to choose from. The rest of us do. (jfrater has 30.)

gdl203 · Jan 26, 2015

I can't say that I'm particularly interested in optimizing outfits. I put stuff on and switch if it looks off - but I usually don't try to "do better" if I'm happy with how things look.

In any case, it looked less saturated IRL and there's a blue overcheck in the tie that I felt worked well with the blue cardi. The whole thing was a bit of an experiment for me to go for something different. I typically would have gone for a more fall color cardigan (maroon or something) with this - but I'm glad I tried that.

TweedyProf · Jan 26, 2015

gdl203 said:
I can't say that I'm particularly interested in optimizing outfits. I put stuff on and switch if it looks off - but I usually don't try to "do better" if I'm happy with how things look.

In any case, it looked less saturated IRL and there's a blue overcheck in the tie that I felt worked well with the blue cardi. The whole thing was a bit of an experiment for me to go for something different. I typically would have gone for a more fall color cardigan (maroon or something) with this - but I'm glad I tried that.

I really like that attitude. Hopefully, members who post in the WAYWRN thread might cross-post some fits of this kind here too. Freedom from the thumbs and an appreciative audience.

TweedyProf · Jan 26, 2015

That said, since there were several jackets of this sort just posted, here's a fit (Helden requested this tie/jacket pairing).

Elio will not like the shirt. The dusty slate blue of jacket is just not reproducing for me with a phone camera, sorry.

YRR92 · Jan 26, 2015

TweedyProf said:
People are way too thumb focused. It's not about the actual #thumbs.

This kicking up is just a device to bring illustrative fits in that don't get put in the 20thumb repository.. But of course given statistical noise you are right.

Can we talk about the fit? Did you thumb it? Like it or not?

I didn't catch it first time around, TBH.

I dislike the jacketing fabric in general, and the tie/square combination doesn't do anything for me. I also don't like that shade of gray/brown/green.

heldentenor · Jan 26, 2015

I like that fit, Tweedy, and I like the spirit we've created so far here with less emphasis on a binary interpretation of "is it optimal?" and more emphasis on "does it work, and why?". I'm probably with Elio on the shirt, and think that a solid oxford cloth would make a real difference, but the fit coheres and I like each of the other components. Thanks for posting.

EliodA · Jan 26, 2015

TweedyProf said:
That said, since there were several jackets of this sort just posted, here's a fit (Helden requested this tie/jacket pairing).

Elio will not like the shirt. The dusty slate blue of jacket is just not reproducing for me with a phone camera, sorry.

Echoing @heldentenor 's comments. Just want to add: WHAT A GREAT TIE!!!!
Also, what if you'd swap that jacket for something like this?

TweedyProf · Jan 26, 2015

EliodA said:
Echoing @heldentenor 's comments. Just want to add: WHAT A GREAT TIE!!!!
Also, what if you'd swap that jacket for something like this?

That's a beautiful fabric. Would work really well with that tie.

You know what might work really well too? Braddock's green donegal. That is the one jacket I've seen this season (well it was a suit) that I covet.

TweedyProf · Jan 26, 2015

YRR92 said:
I didn't catch it first time around, TBH.

I dislike the jacketing fabric in general, and the tie/square combination doesn't do anything for me. I also don't like that shade of gray/brown/green.

YRR92: are you talking about the Betel fit or the above?

EliodA · Jan 26, 2015

TweedyProf said:
That's a beautiful fabric. Would work really well with that tie.

You know what might work really well too? Braddock's green donegal. That is the one jacket I've seen this season (well it was a suit) that I covet.

I kinda covet all of Braddock's suits and jackets...

TweedyProf · Jan 26, 2015

yeah, Braddock's coats are really nicely cut and tailored.

I think in the above fit, I would go without square and yes, solid shirt as you and Helden recommend.

I think often enough, we might do well to go n-1 on patterns. That is, when you are tempted by 3 patterned elements, go with 2 (4 with 3, 5....yikes). Less might often be more.

It's when more works that it is interesting. There are a lot of 3+ pattern mixing in WAYWRN now. We should find an illustrative successful fit that ramps up number of patterns or colors.

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