Sole Welting



LynahFaithful said:

Nick - Others such as EG and Perry Ercolino also display the JR logo. Others such as Paolo Scarfora display his own huge logo on his. That's their preference and their prerogative. Yours too. DW doesn't want other logos on his products...that's his preference...and he explained why. There is no right or wrong. You are all free to do as you please. Consumers will either buy it or they won't. It's their choice too.

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Thank you...

Nick V. said:

That's fair...just questioned his sudden interest....put it out there.

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That's disingenuous chickenshit... and you know it. It's the the kind of pretense that makes these threads go sour.

Interest? What sudden interest. I gave my opinion, in response to a question, about Baker Belgian and Rendenbach. You took it from there.

What it was, was a non-shoemaker (you) criticizing the decision of a bona fide shoemaker--me. As Dutch said--it's the arrogance of ignorance.

You can't pretend that all that has been said is not related. The history is there...even if some wish it weren't. And just for the record, I think the only name calling I done with regard to you...or at least the most disparaging...is I called you a manager and a non-shoemaker.

As I mentioned, I don't criticize the decisions of other shoemakers. I don't think I even questioned your use of Rendenbach. And if Vass wants to use Rendenbach with the label, that's his prerogative. Doesn't mean a thing...good or bad...to me.

I said I didn't like it for my own work...and I explained why.

The decision is mine and mine alone and not open to criticism esp. not from people who have no possible way to understand or empathize.

The explanation was, despite opening myself to this kind of dig, free of charge--an insight into one, professional, shoemaker's point of view

No one...not Nick or anyone else...has any call, right or legitimacy to opine one way or the other. But that doesn't stop some people.

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DWFII said:

Thank you...
That's disingenuous chickenshit... and you know it. It's the the kind of pretense that makes these threads go sour.

Interest? What sudden interest. I gave my opinion, in response to a question, about Baker Belgian and Rendenbach. You took it from there.

You can't pretend that all that has been said is not related. What it was, was a non-shoemaker (you) criticizing the decision of a bona fide shoemaker--me. As Dutch said--it's the arrogance of ignorance.

As I mentioned, I don't criticize the decisions of other shoemakers. I don't think I even questioned your use of Rendenbach. And if Vass wants to use Rendenbach with the label, that's his prerogative. Doesn't mean a thing...good or bad...to me.

I said I didn't like it for my own work...and I explained why.

The decision is mine and mine alone and not open to criticism esp. not from people who have no possible way to understand or empathize.

The explanation was, despite opening myself to this kind of dig, free of charge--an insight into one, professional, shoemaker's point of view

No one...not Nick or anyone else...has any call, right or legitimacy to opine one way or the other. But that doesn't stop some people.

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And I agree...equally my decisions are mine. Without the long winded answer . Is the bet on?



Nick V. said:

And I agree...equally my decisions are mine. Without the long winded answer . Is the bet on?

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What bet?! What kind of sophomoric crap is this now? Yes, I read you talking about bets...but amidst all the other meaningless things you have said, I thought it was just metaphor.

I have no desire to bet about anything...esp. foolish stuff.

How about we bet that if you actually learned how to make shoes and did it full time for a while, say a year or so, that you'd either quit because it was too much work..hands getting dirty, etc....or change your tune about most of what you've been spouting?

There's a bet that if I were a betting man (I'm not), I'd think about.

Yeah, my ex-wife used to go into screaming hysterics too about how things are said...long-winded, etc...rather than, God forbid, having to actually deal with what was being said.



DWFII said:

So I don't offer the cross-hatch. I don't brand my foreparts. I offer as good an interpretation of that clear, almost transparent finish that allows the customer to "look into" the leather, as I can..

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So, I think you would like this one

DWFII said:

Yeah, my ex-wife used to go into screaming hysterics too about how things are said...long-winded, etc...rather than, God forbid, having to deal with what was being said.

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To quote the great Raylan Givens, "you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole; you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."



Fishball said:

So, I think you would like this one

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Woof! I wish I could do as well! Beautiful!



DWFII said:

Woof! I wish I could do as well! Beautiful!

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How do they get it so smooth? Mis it glassworks or is there sanding, buffing, polishing? I have always wondered why the English can't get their soles so clean. Mine always come with obvious scratches all over.



misterjuiceman said:

" To quote the great Raylan Givens, "you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole; you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

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So you're saying that Raylan is an asshole? Who does he run into all day? Maybe the Crows are decent folks?



DWFII said:

What bet?! What kind of sophomoric crap is this now? Yes, I read you talking about bets...but amidst all the other meaningless things you have said, I thought it was just metaphor.

I have no desire to bet about anything...esp. foolish stuff.

How about we bet that if you actually learned how to make shoes and did it full time for a while, say a year or so, that you'd either quit because it was too much work..hands getting dirty, etc....or change your tune about most of what you've been spouting?

There's a bet that if I were a betting man (I'm not), I'd think about.

Yeah, my ex-wife used to go into screaming hysterics too about how things are said...long-winded, etc...rather than, God forbid, having to actually deal with what was being said.

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It appears in 1006 of this thread. Sorry if you didn't read it.
Are we on????



jerrybrowne said:

How do they get it so smooth? Mis it glassworks or is there sanding, buffing, polishing? I have always wondered why the English can't get their soles so clean. Mine always come with obvious scratches all over.

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All those things, I'm guessing. A little oxalic acid, glassing, burnishing, sanding with 4000 grit sandpaper, Wax. White gloves.

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One of D.W.'s soles for comparison. The pic is from his website.



Nick V. said:

It appears in 1006 of this thread. Sorry if you didn't read it.
Are we on????

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See you don't read other people's comments. Just your own. You know where you first proposed this schoolboy challenge way back when but you can't comprehend a simple

I have no desire to bet about anything...esp. foolish stuff

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on this same page.


As I said I never doubted that you had a supplier for no stamp JR...I just doubted your ability to think logically and analytically and question comfortable assumptions.

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ctp120 said:

One of D.W.'s soles for comparison. The pic is from his website.

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Doesn't look too bad by comparison does it? Not quite as even but not too bad if I do say so. That said, I can do better...learned some things from that pair.



DWFII said:

See you don't read other people's comments. Just your own. You know where you first proposed this schoolboy challenge way back when but you can't comprehend a simple
on this same page.


As I said I never doubted that you had a supplier for no stamp JR...I just doubted your ability to think logically and analytically and question comfortable assumptions.

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Cheep out. But I'll give it to you if it makes you feel better about yourself.



DWFII said:

Doesn't look too bad by comparison does it? Not quite as even but not too bad if I do say so. That said, I can do better...learned some things from that pair.

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Wasn't intending to imply judgement either way with the original post. Just offering a visual to accompany your prose description. I sensed you might be reluctant to do so to avoid being accused of some sort of inappropriate self-promotion, but I thought it germane to the conversation. Hope I didn't presume too much.