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post #16 of 133

Color coordination aside, I would focus on fit first.  If your suit is tailored for you before you lost weight, think about having it altered.  Getting the colors right won't help if the suit doesn't fit. 

post #17 of 133
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We just bought it recently from Lord and Taylor's. It was a pretty snug fit but it worked and I'm getting it tailored now, on top of losing a few more pounds in the meanwhile. It will fit though, I can promise you that.

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The pictures make the point, I see what you're getting at. The pinstripes aren't so defined, but I see what you mean. The problem is is that I have broad shoulders, but because of the weight loss, my waist has trimmed down considerably so I have a more triangle like body shape. I guess I'm trying to stand out more than the conservative white shirt look, but I have to acknowledge why it is a classic look and still around rather than everyone wearing black on black cause there is obviously a reason why everyone is not doing that. I get the risk, I've just always wanted to try it and (who knows) maybe pull it off? I need to post my pic on here to give you guys a better idea too. Thank you though.

Your peers will likely try to stand out as well. They also likely have no sense of style. What might be commonplace and boring in a board room will be the opposite at your prom - it will be against the grain, perhaps even edgy...because you had the balls to not dress like a stereotypical douche bag college kid.
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It's actually being tailored now, we just bought it recently and it'll fit. Given a few more pounds to lose but nothing crazy, it works on me.

post #20 of 133
Black suit + black tie does not look good. Some rules were meant to be broken but not this one.

I always associate pin striped suits with daytime business wear. If its the only suit you've got then make the best of it but if you have options a solid black or better yet solid midnight blue (almost black and will look black in dim light but is more versatile) is better. Solid white shirt and silk tie ( colurful if you like but preferably not plain shiney satin) will work as stated above. White pocket square in a TV fold or reflecting a colour in your tie or shirt if ithe shirt's not white will finish it off. Do not have perfectly matching tie and square, that's a noob move.

Dress like this and you might not be the one that everyone is staring at but you will look suavely understated and classy in a more subtle way than the wacky guy in the purple tux, and you will not cringe when you look back on the photos in ten years time like he will.
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El Dave - So you're saying by dressing classically, it'll help to stand out more against everyone who's trying to stand out as well?

post #22 of 133

Of course, the pocket square!  How could I forget.  Yes, definitely do a pocket square.  White is a safe color, but you can pick something that compliments the tie.  For example, you can do a red tie with a green silk pocket square.

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Black suit + black tie does not look good. Some rules were meant to be broken but not this one.
I always associate pin striped suits with daytime business wear. If its the only suit you've got then make the best of it but if you have options a solid black or better yet solid midnight blue (almost black and will look black in dim light but is more versatile) is better. Solid white shirt and silk tie ( colurful if you like but preferably not plain shiney satin) will work as stated above. White pocket square in a TV fold or reflecting a colour in your tie or shirt if ithe shirt's not white will finish it off. Do not have perfectly matching tie and square, that's a noob move.
Dress like this and you might not be the one that everyone is staring at but you will look suavely understated and classy in a more subtle way than the wacky guy in the purple tux, and you will not cringe when you look back on the photos in ten years time like he will.


Rather than a black tie, my question was concerning black suit + black shirt. My only option right now is the black suit to begin with as a foundation considering we just bought it too and can't get another one just yet. And from what I heard, I was already going for a french cuff with links and a tie bar, wouldn't a pocket square be over-accessorizing?

 

post #24 of 133

Ditch the tie bar.  Basic rule, if you wear a jacket, wear a pocket square that's why the jacket has a chest pocket.  You can forgo the pocket square if you do a boutonniere.  A white carnation or blue cornflower works nicely.  If you have time, have a tailor sew in a boutonniere thread behind the lapel about an inch below the button hole.

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El Dave - So you're saying by dressing classically, it'll help to stand out more against everyone who's trying to stand out as well?

Correct. From my experience at college "formals" there's a lot of the black shirt + satin tie look. I used to get tons of compliments by simply wearing a clean white shirt and a standard Brooks Brothers tie with a navy suit.
post #26 of 133
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Ditch the tie bar.  Basic rule, if you wear a jacket, wear a pocket square that's why the jacket has a chest pocket.  You can forgo the pocket square if you do a boutonniere.  A white carnation or blue cornflower works nicely.  If you have time, have a tailor sew in a boutonniere thread behind the lapel about an inch below the button hole.



Ohhhhh. That's what it's called, I was wondering how to go about that. Yes! I love the boutonniere idea (maybe in red?). And just to be sure for future reference, you only choose one of the three (tie bar, boutonniere, pocket square) as an accessory correct? Not all three (or two) at once right?

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Correct. From my experience at college "formals" there's a lot of the black shirt + satin tie look. I used to get tons of compliments by simply wearing a clean white shirt and a standard Brooks Brothers tie with a navy suit.


Of course, it is classical for a reason. I still need to keep that in mind, so I'll keep my options open. Thank you for the advice, I'm still leaning on the black on black at least for right now, but a reminder of the basics is what I need. Much appreciated.

post #28 of 133

If you want red, try a red carnation.  Order it fresh from a florist and pick it up one or two days before.  Keep it it water.

 

I consider tie bars to be functional; it keeps your tie from shifting around.  If I wear one,it stays low and hidden by the jacket.  And the boutonniere is in addition to the pocket square.  I meant that you can skip the pocket square if you do a boutonniere if that makes you feel more comfortable.  A formal ball is a great occasion to sport a boutonniere. 

post #29 of 133
At a college formal, I would wear tie bar (you'll probably be moving around a lot) and the boutonniere. I would skip the PS.
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