The State of Black Tie: Your Observations



becnal said:

I bought silk ribbon off the Internet and turned them into laces. 3 bucks.

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May I see a picture of the finished laces?

And maybe a rundown of how the creation took place!

Update; leffot cannot supply me with silk laces.



mafoofan said:

Look, I'll be the first to rip an outfit to shreds, but you all are making the very ugly mistake of confusing taste in clothing for the quality of the people wearing it. The truth is that the vast majority of Americans do not pay a fraction of the attention to dress as we do on this forum. Yet, that doesn't make them all rednecks. If you think the rich and educated always know how to dress right, you clearly don't spend much time with many rich, educated people.

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What strain of etiquette endorses ethnic slurs?

Since we are on to dress code, about 20 years ago I was invited to a wedding that stated: North Woods Wedding.... Lumberjack attire. It was the 1990s... everyone was wearing flannel shirts. Even though the dress code was on the invitation. only the groom, the best man and I (photographer) heeded the code. Everyone else was in a suit. The wedding even took place in a log cabin in the woods. We looked like fools in the photos because people did not adhere to the dress code. The bride was pissed. The bodies were never found.



musicmax said:

What strain of etiquette endorses ethnic slurs?

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"Redneck" is an ethnicity now? Does this mean that all bluenecks* must be Finnish?

That story is similar to a wedding I was at where the dress code was "windswept and interesting". The groom's side took it to mean summery casual and bride's ignored it and turned up in suits. Weird dress codes rarely turn out well.

musicmax said:

mafoofan said:

Look, I'll be the first to rip an outfit to shreds, but you all are making the very ugly mistake of confusing taste in clothing for the quality of the people wearing it. The truth is that the vast majority of Americans do not pay a fraction of the attention to dress as we do on this forum. Yet, that doesn't make them all rednecks. If you think the rich and educated always know how to dress right, you clearly don't spend much time with many rich, educated people.

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What strain of etiquette endorses ethnic slurs?

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Oh, my but you are prickly.

Master Squirrel said:

Since we are on to dress code, about 20 years ago I was invited to a wedding that stated: North Woods Wedding.... Lumberjack attire. It was the 1990s... everyone was wearing flannel shirts. Even though the dress code was on the invitation. only the groom, the best man and I (photographer) heeded the code. Everyone else was in a suit. The wedding even took place in a log cabin in the woods. We looked like fools in the photos because people did not adhere to the dress code. The bride was pissed. The bodies were never found.

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Fitting punishment for having a theme wedding...



Master Squirrel said:

Since we are on to dress code, about 20 years ago I was invited to a wedding that stated: North Woods Wedding.... Lumberjack attire. It was the 1990s... everyone was wearing flannel shirts. Even though the dress code was on the invitation. only the groom, the best man and I (photographer) heeded the code. Everyone else was in a suit. The wedding even took place in a log cabin in the woods. We looked like fools in the photos because people did not adhere to the dress code. The bride was pissed. The bodies were never found.

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sugarbutch said:

Fitting punishment for having a theme wedding...

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Can I assume that most here would have grudgingly given up their proper black tie attire in favor of something like this:



sugarbutch said:

Oh, my but you are prickly.

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How long would someone last around here dropping a similar epithet for homosexuals or African-Americans?

I put "redneck" at about the same level of offensiveness as "brotha" or "homey," which is to say, not very. So, go with my blessings to refer to African-Americans as either of those here on the forum.

Umm, "redneck" doesn't just apply to white people. There are black and Asian hicks, too.

Who's the racist, now?



musicmax said:

How long would someone last around here dropping a similar epithet for homosexuals or African-Americans?

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Don't be absurd. "Redneck" refers to one's lifestyle (and not in the same way as some refer to a "homosexual lifestyle") not their race, ethnicity, religion, gender or sexual orientation. You know, biological things which are innate, unchangeable characteristics.

sugarbutch said:

I put "redneck" at about the same level of offensiveness as "brotha" or "homey," which is to say, not very. So, go with my blessings to refer to African-Americans as either of those here on the forum.

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Agreed. The term may be offensive to some, but again, it doesn't hit at nearly the level of slurs related to one's biological characteristics. Socioeconomic discrimination in and of itself isn't racist/homophobic/xenophobic. It may be mean-spirited at times but I don't recall it qualifying anyone as a protected class (but IANAL).

mafoofan said:

Umm, "redneck" doesn't just apply to white people. There are black and Asian hicks, too.

Who's the racist, now?

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Well, technically speaking, I think black rednecks are probably pretty rare...

Many Rednecks I know proudly refer to themselves as such.

Redneck is not a slur, much less an ethnic slur.

Insult, perhaps, depending on the context. But definitely not a slur.

Checking American Heritage, FreeDictionary.com and Wikipedia, "redneck" is described as "derogatory", "pejorative", "disparaging" and "generally considered offensive".

But you idiots keep digging in your bigoted heels.

Okay can we now get back to discussing how stupid it is to infer black tie from fancy fonts?