WAYWRN: Classic Menswear, Casual Style

Jeans are 1967 actually, not 59s. Need another soak. Or jump in the ocean.



CDHagg said:

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CD- this is just dreadful, sorry. It looks like shrink wrapped polyester over 70's pants; the red Nike swoop does nothing for it. Where Holdfast looks like he's goofing off, you look like you are dressing up.



Rambo said:

You're getting back into beanpole territory here. The rolled up cuffs only go to focus the eyes vertically.

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+1, not to mention that it's exaggerated by the skinny/tapered jeans - although in fairness I haven't seen what a straight leg cut looks like on him

F. Corbera said:

So, kind of a lowest-common-denominator look, then, is your take on the current SW&D subforvm viewpoint on things?
What would you wear digging a ditch, or locked in jujitsu combat, or taking a dump on (or off) a boat?
You're on a plane, and it crashes in the Andes. Food is running out. Weather is bad. And that plump chick from Omaha is starting to look tasty. You tustle. You lose. She's got about 80lbs on you. As she starts gnawing on your wrists, what would you wear?
You've time traveled to the future. You pop through a vortex, nude like Arnold in that Terminator movie. You stagger into a store and steal some clothes. What would those clothes be?
I think that I get it!

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This sort of snarky, fallacious reductionism isn't helping anyone. I know you were making a joke of the whole thing, but your comparisons concerning casual activities are so absurd that the point you're trying to make doesn't even register.

Another SFer on the SW&D side just described MCers as "myopic" in their approach to mens clothing, and I don't think I could sum it up more adequately.

DLester said:

This does not sound like a casual restaurant, if 80% of the people there were wearing sportcoats.

Maybe there is some kind of American-English/English-English translation problem going on, in addition to the differences in taste

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I suppose everything comes down to definitions in the end. FWIW, I think Fuuma describes the situation quite eloquently:

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Holdfast is probably referring to the atmosphere of the restaurant and yes, the type of activity he is engaging in (taking a stroll). He's not one of those marsupials who think what some guy in Milwaukee thinks should be the criteria for what you wear, I would believe he is merely attempting to illustrate how his own environment not only shaped what he enjoys wearing but also what is “appropriate” for him to wear on a day to day basis. Yeah the two hopefully intersect.

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That's it, yes. The general atmosphere of the restaurant, the specific event I was there for, and the activity thereafter were all resolutely casual. I'm not trying to snark or troll the thread, I promise you. I'm actually just trying out posting what I wear in casual settings (with all the contextual provisos above) in this thread as well as in the main WAYWRN. I want to emphasise that I have nothing against SW&D looks either; I think a lot of them are interesting and exciting. They don't fit into my life, but I can like them as outfits in the abstract. Similarly, I think it's possible for others to appreciate the kinds of outfit I wear casually, in an abstract way, accepting that they may not fit into their lives.

noobizor said:

(re Restaurants, possibly everyone had just come from church. You'll also see this in Red Lobsters throughout the US of A).

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Possibly. But I don't think enough people still go to church services in England for this to be much a factor. Only about 10% of us go to church weekly, whereas I think it's about 50% in the USA. Personally, I don't go.

KingJulien said:

As long as you have longer legs and the jeans are slim enough, you can have as much stacking as you like, really. It's a specific look that generally looks good with very casual outfits, the original Dior cut has about a 39" inseam and wasn't designed to be hemmed.

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Thank you for the explanation.

james_timothy said:

To me, Holdfast looks like he's goofing off. But he explains it better than I can. I'm interested in exactly how he does it, just as I am in gdl's walk of no shame.

If the look is non-business, just carrying out the rest of life, then I'm interested in it for this thread. The "rest of life" is the important part of life. How do you dress for it?

Non-rigid thinking, no narrow mindedness. Lack of that is what'll make the thread interesting.

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re: the bolded bit - that would be an accurate description of my lunch & afternoon, yes. And a lot of fun it was.

F. Corbera said:

Pay particular attention to the stair sequences, because they are an accurate portrayal of how someone in new, stacked, raw, artisanal, hand-baked Nippon-san denim actually walks down stairs.

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Your snark just hit a new height, lol.

DLester said:

Holdfast, for what it is worth I was not trying to be personal. I just saw your post as a good jumping off point for the direction I wanted to take the discussion. Your pics in this thread that I have seen look good.

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I get that; don't worry I'm not taking anything personally. I'm trying to answer as honestly/clearly/unspun as I can, to further what it is indeed a good discussion.



F. Corbera said:

So, kind of a lowest-common-denominator look, then, is your take on the current SW&D subforvm viewpoint on things?

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No.

And I would be the one eating the *********, not the other way around.

(there is a joke in there somewhere...)



reedobandito said:

This sort of snarky, fallacious reductionism isn't helping anyone. I know you were making a joke of the whole thing, but your comparisons concerning casual activities are so absurd that the point you're trying to make doesn't even register.
Another SFer on the SW&D side just described MCers as "myopic" in their approach to mens clothing, and I don't think I could sum it up more adequately.

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the whole post was a joke.

If you've seen his casual fits you'd know that he probably lurks SW&D a little bit (or just has similar tastes to some posters).



hendrix said:

the whole post was a joke.
If you've seen his casual fits you'd know that he probably lurks SW&D a little bit (or just has similar tastes to some posters).

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Ah, guess I jumped the gun a bit then, my b



Holdfast said:

But I don't think enough people still go to church services in England for this to be much a factor. Only about 10% of us go to church weekly, whereas I think it's about 50% in the USA. Personally, I don't go.

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then I envy you people. Odd things happen when 50% of your population goes to church. I am not supposed to say something like that, and I just did, on the internet. Now I can't run for president.



DLester said:

then I envy you people. Odd things happen when 50% of your population goes to church. I am not supposed to say something like that, and I just did, on the internet. Now I can't run for president.

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Agreed, Hoff.

I just don't understand how the following "fits" (for lack of a better word)...

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...can be posted in the same thread as the well put together SVB below. Are they even from the same planet?

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^ In fairness, I posted them here, not Fuuma.



patrick_b said:

I just don't understand how the following "fits" (for lack of a better word)...

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They aren't MC casual and I didn't post them here so that might be why. Once again they aren't very out there (aside from the ethnic cape) at a fashion show or similar event.

^ I think the blazer/white trousers with kneepads look would fit very easily into this thread, personally. I like that one quite a bit, and not just in a fashion show setting.

james_timothy said:

[re: CD Hagg's pic] Where Holdfast looks like he's goofing off, you look like you are dressing up.

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You also posted a more general thought about being interested in what made it look like I was fairly relaxed whereas CDHagg's look doesn't.

Well, obviously part of it is as simple & meaningless as the relaxed photo pose and the cheesy grin in mine. But leaving that aside, the other differences are the nature of the items: his jacket & trousers are clearly in much more formal materials and patterns than mine and the square is in a highly aggressive vivid solid colour. All of those things push the look away from relaxed and towards "dressy" (horrid word, I agree, but can't think of any better... you know what I mean). I think the fact that CDH's items fit in a less than flattering manner also adds to the visual difference. Not saying that my items fit exceptionally well (they don't; I could easily reel off a litany of minor issues with almost every item I'm wearing), just that they fit better than CDH's, which makes for an unfair overall visual comparison when assessing something like how relaxed a person looks in an outfit.

DLester said:

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Talking of this difference, our former Prime Minister Tony Blair is quite a religious person. I believe he converted to (or is going to) Catholicism fairly recently, and takes it all moderately seriously. In the USA, religious faith like that is an electoral asset. In the UK, it's an electoral problem, with his former spokesman having to famously state "We don't do God" in order to defuse its potentially negative impact. If I had to give an idea about what the average person here thinks about religion it's that they view someone having a quiet/personal faith very benignly, in a "oh, that's nice for them" sort of way, but if they start getting loud about it and appear to be taking it too seriously, a metaphorical raised eyebrow appears. Perhaps I'm misrepresenting my fellow citizens, but I think as a distillation of the culture towards religion, that's probably not too far off the mark, and I say it as someone who considers having a strong spiritual side as important (though I'm not religious).

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DLester said:

No.
And I would be the one eating the *********, not the other way around.
(there is a joke in there somewhere...)

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This sounds MC to me. Por ejemplo:

Holdfast said:

^ I think the blazer/white trousers with kneepads look would fit very easily into this thread, personally.

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