WAYWRN: Classic Menswear, Casual Style

gnatty8 · Jul 26, 2012

Don't know if I posted these yet, but some random stuff from the past few weeks..

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FlyingMonkey · Jul 26, 2012

sugarbutch said:
No offense, but stacking is ridiculous (IMO of course).

Surely, when it comes to thinking about style, the point is to try to understand any piece of clothing and its material qualities, how it relates to other pieces of clothing, what you want the clothing to say (whether that's to yourself or to anyone else) and the context in which you might wear it? What you are implying is that you don't relate to the kinds of jeans that would be amenable to stacking, you wouldn't want to look like that, or that you would never find yourself in a context where it would be appropriate to wear them. And in your personal case, I'd agree: with your body shape and (here I am just guessing based on your posts) your persona and lifestyle, you would probably look ridiculous in stacked jeans. Neither of us can with any validity generalize this to everyone, and perhaps even anyone, else, except those who might share your combination of attributes.

As for me, sometimes I will wear jeans that stack (e.g. cheap slim, black ones from Uniqlo), which I might wear with Red Wing Engineer boots or sneakers and a fitted t-shirt. I also have denim I wear cuffed (heavier, selvedge denim) and some that is tailored (e.g. my white Rag and Bone jeans), which I wear with other things. In the latter case - and I am sure Fritzl will splutter into his coffee at this - I've worn them with a black wool DB blazer, white linen shirt plus black Converse. But then I don't wear the same kinds of clothes all the time and I don't feel at all uncomfortable switching registers or mixing things up - whether I actually dress 'well' in any particular context is another matter and I am not making any claims about that. Nor would I claim any denim expertise but, in getting to understand denim, I have certainly learned from SW&D here - where there are some seriously knowledgeable people when it comes to denim - and also from my time in Japan - where denim is taken very seriously.

blahman · Jul 26, 2012

There is just so much arrogance in MC it's not funny.

sugarbutch · Jul 26, 2012

FlyingMonkey said:
sugarbutch said:

No offense, but stacking is ridiculous (IMO of course).

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Surely, when it comes to thinking about style, the point is to try to understand any piece of clothing and its material qualities, how it relates to other pieces of clothing, what you want the clothing to say (whether that's to yourself or to anyone else) and the context in which you might wear it? What you are implying is that you don't relate to the kinds of jeans that would be amenable to stacking, you wouldn't want to look like that, or that you would never find yourself in a context where it would be appropriate to wear them. And in your personal case, I'd agree: with your body shape and (here I am just guessing based on your posts) your persona and lifestyle, you would probably look ridiculous in stacked jeans. Neither of us can with any validity generalize this to everyone, and perhaps even anyone, else, except those who might share your combination of attributes.

As for me, sometimes I will wear jeans that stack (e.g. cheap slim, black ones from Uniqlo), which I might wear with Red Wing Engineer boots or sneakers and a fitted t-shirt. I also have denim I wear cuffed (heavier, selvedge denim) and some that is tailored (e.g. my white Rag and Bone jeans), which I wear with other things. In the latter case - and I am sure Fritzl will splutter into his coffee at this - I've worn them with a black wool DB blazer, white linen shirt plus black Converse. But then I don't wear the same kinds of clothes all the time and I don't feel at all uncomfortable switching registers or mixing things up - whether I actually dress 'well' in any particular context is another matter and I am not making any claims about that. Nor would I claim any denim expertise but, in getting to understand denim, I have certainly learned from SW&D here - where there are some seriously knowledgeable people when it comes to denim - and also from my time in Japan - where denim is taken very seriously.

blahman said:
There is just so much arrogance in MC it's not funny.

I lurked on SW&D and learned to make sweeping categorical assertions. Now I'm applying this to MC casual. Am I doing it wrong?

Seriously, though. I can understand something and still not like it. I can also appreciate things which are better for others than for me.

P. Bateman · Jul 26, 2012

gmledbet · Jul 26, 2012

Shirt by Brooks Brothers, shorts by Gap, and shoes by Converse

Liam O · Jul 26, 2012

P. Bateman said:

Really nice, I wish I had a burgundy one. I kept one of the navies and then realized everything but my other jacket and shoes are navy blue...

any rate, great fit. Still going to steal your bag.

sugarbutch · Jul 26, 2012

P. Bateman said:

All zip jackets should have zips like this.

Threadbearer · Jul 26, 2012

gmledbet said:
Shirt by Brooks Brothers, shorts by Gap, and shoes by Converse

Donate those shorts to charity. Way to feminine.

CDHagg · Jul 26, 2012

sugarbutch said:
I can think of no non-physical labor situation in which denim is appropriate but a different type of casual trouser is not. I like jeans and wear them (mostly on the weekend), but this strikes me as hyperbole.

EDIT:And for physical labor, denim actually isn't that great...

Depends on the situation. I used to work on a ranch in a very hot climate, and I would only wear jeans when chainsawing and clearing land because the thick material would keep my legs from getting torn up on the brush. All other times, denim would just be too hot.

Not sure why this matters in terms of style, though. Lots of stuff in style/fashion (and other areas of life, too) are used for things other than their original purpose, but that doesn't make it wrong. Like the example of the briefcase (do you have to be a lawyer carrying briefs to court to use one?).

Citan1145 · Jul 26, 2012

P. Bateman said:

This is a zipped jacket done very well.

But.....I want to make a point that maybe we can discuss in a civilized manner and I am not calling out P. Bateman for this because we seemingly all do it from time to time.

I don't like polished calf leather dress shoes (balmorals or bluchers) with jeans.

I am not sure why but the look just always clashes for me. Denim is a rugged fabric and the polished calf always seems off to me. Maybe in a boot or a longwing with some rougher leather, but the captoes and such seem very off to me in terms of level of formality, texture, and coherence. I have done this myself too and I always feel off.

I guess cordovan or pebble grain or even suede shoes work with jeans. Boots too and maybe a loafer of some kind? But the lace ups with shiny calf? I don't feel it. Am I nuts here? And apologies to Bateman if those are boots or whatever!

jrd617 · Jul 26, 2012

sugarbutch said:
All zip jackets should have zips like this.

How is this achieved?

P. Bateman · Jul 26, 2012

The shoes are brown cordovan. I like them with jeans.

Better photo (sorry if it's huge):

ethanm · Jul 26, 2012

Citan1145 said:
I don't like polished calf leather dress shoes (balmorals or bluchers) with jeans.

I think those are shell. They look like Marlow WTs to me.

John Doe · Jul 26, 2012

jrd617 said:
How is this achieved?

It has two sliders so that when it is zipped up the bottom slider can open the jacket from the bottom.

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