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Gibonius · Nov 7, 2011

Joffrey said:
P.S. Oh yah, why does NUcky only have one body guard? Particularly a shifty, smooth as silk mick like the new guy? I like the character but you'd think NUcky would arrange for some added muscle (discreete or not) after the first attempt on him and the coalition of the willing ready to pounce.

His secretary/concierge is also a bodyguard of sorts, he carries a gun. Came up the first time somebody made a play on Nucky.

Slopho · Nov 8, 2011

Joffrey said:
Um, Jimmy played it like someone who really didn't want to follow through with the hit. Which answers my question but I'm surprised you missed it totally.
Evidence:
1. Note the look on his face and mannerisms when it dawns on him that his comrades were all more than happy with offing NUcky instead of trying to put him in prison (the initial meeting at the commodore's. Eli knows NUcky has an ace up his sleeve hence his suggestion that they off him). All of Jimmy's tough talk about being done with NUcky (with him in prison) blows up in his face.
2. Jimmy's conversation with his mother that beats you over the head that he really really doesn't want to kill Nucky.
3. Sloppy execution of the hit. Jimmy's act of warning Nucky (not sure how he expected NUcky to get out of it then though).
P.S. Oh yah, why does NUcky only have one body guard? Particularly a shifty, smooth as silk mick like the new guy? I like the character but you'd think NUcky would arrange for some added muscle (discreete or not) after the first attempt on him and the coalition of the willing ready to pounce.
P.P.S I really think Margaret is hawt. especially with her hair down. and barking orders. and gained reamed out. rool:

I thought he was just kinda pointing him out to the hit man.

munchausen · Nov 8, 2011

Yeah I was getting a Judas' kiss vibe from that exchange.

oneeightyseven · Nov 8, 2011

I think Jimmy didn't really want to kill Nucky and that his approach was a warning behind the guise of pointing him out to the hitman. The hit would have been successful if Nucky hadn't been alerted by the approach, but because Jimmy addressed Nucky, he was aware of his surroundings

landshark · Nov 8, 2011

munchausen said:
Yeah I was getting a Judas' kiss vibe from that exchange.

This and that he was shot in the hand, similar to how Christ had nails driven into his hands/wrists.

munchausen · Nov 8, 2011

The hit would have been successful if there hadn't been a federal agent to put one in the assassin's head. The guy hit him square in either the chest or stomach and had him on his back ready for an easy headshot. I don't see what Nucky did to stop it.

oneeightyseven · Nov 8, 2011

munchausen said:
The hit would have been successful if there hadn't been a federal agent to put one in the assassin's head. The guy hit him square in either the chest or stomach and had him on his back ready for an easy headshot. I don't see what Nucky did to stop it.

I'm not saying there wasn't a part of luck involved as well, but Nucky would have been a standing duck without the approach. Wouldn't have had the time to move

VRaivio · Nov 8, 2011

I wager that Jimmy just wanted to ease his mind about the murder attempt. Remember that Nucky was like a father to him, and in the meeting Jimmy was the only one visibly hesitant about hitting Nuck.

boogaboogabooga · Nov 8, 2011

VRaivio said:
I wager that Jimmy just wanted to ease his mind about the murder attempt. Remember that Nucky was like a father to him, and in the meeting Jimmy was the only one visibly hesitant about hitting Nuck.

I thought this as well.

Piobaire · Nov 10, 2011

We all know Jimmy did not want the hit and it was weighing heavily on him. His comment to Nucky, that sometimes a decision has to be made but it is not necessarily a good one, pretty much says it all. Again, I predict those two are allied again by the end of the season.

Did no one else find it ironic Nucky's bodyguard was off to track down and kill someone so was not there when Nucky was...tracked down and almost killed?

Did not expect Van Alden to come clean to lady AG. I thought Nucky had him. As Van Alden has already done several nefarious things it shows he is capable of deception and dishonesty so I guess it's personal animous against Nucky that came into play. The file he had, that was outside the jurisdiction of his investigation, shows how fixated with Nucky he is. I predict this fixation leads to his eventual downfall.

FWIW, I wil be glad when Eli gets bumped.

imageWIS · Nov 10, 2011

Piobaire said:
We all know Jimmy did not want the hit and it was weighing heavily on him. His comment to Nucky, that sometimes a decision has to be made but it is not necessarily a good one, pretty much says it all. Again, I predict those two are allied again by the end of the season.
Did no one else find it ironic Nucky's bodyguard was off to track down and kill someone so was not there when Nucky was...tracked down and almost killed?
Did not expect Van Alden to come clean to lady AG. I thought Nucky had him. As Van Alden has already done several nefarious things it shows he is capable of deception and dishonesty so I guess it's personal animous against Nucky that came into play. The file he had, that was outside the jurisdiction of his investigation, shows how fixated with Nucky he is. I predict this fixation leads to his eventual downfall.
FWIW, I wil be glad when Eli gets bumped.

Yup, just getting annoying now.

Gibonius · Nov 10, 2011

Could anybody understand the dialog between the two Irishmen, before Owen ended up killing the other guy? I missed about half of it, was very confused. I assume the other Irishman was a traitor to the revolutionary movement, but what was their little conversation about?

munchausen · Nov 10, 2011

They were really just shooting the **** about the old country.

boogaboogabooga · Nov 10, 2011

Gibonius said:
Could anybody understand the dialog between the two Irishmen, before Owen ended up killing the other guy? I missed about half of it, was very confused. I assume the other Irishman was a traitor to the revolutionary movement, but what was their little conversation about?

I think Nucky's new employee just wanted to divine the guy while also giving him details that would allow himself, ideally, to garner trust to make his kill easier. Obviously that didn't happen.

boogaboogabooga · Nov 10, 2011

Piobaire said:
We all know Jimmy did not want the hit and it was weighing heavily on him. His comment to Nucky, that sometimes a decision has to be made but it is not necessarily a good one, pretty much says it all. Again, I predict those two are allied again by the end of the season.
Did no one else find it ironic Nucky's bodyguard was off to track down and kill someone so was not there when Nucky was...tracked down and almost killed?
Did not expect Van Alden to come clean to lady AG. I thought Nucky had him. As Van Alden has already done several nefarious things it shows he is capable of deception and dishonesty so I guess it's personal animous against Nucky that came into play. The file he had, that was outside the jurisdiction of his investigation, shows how fixated with Nucky he is. I predict this fixation leads to his eventual downfall.
FWIW, I wil be glad when Eli gets bumped.

I thought Van Alden going to Ester was from his new found sense of purpose inspired by his daughter. I don't think it's out of revenge as much as it's him returning to some of his ideals. It could be a ignoratio elenchi for some plot twist later, but the amount of depth the character takes on by having some sentiment is enormous and it'd really hurt that characterization if it were all a ploy and Van Alden was stll the hollow Gman. Also, that actor was interviewed on NPR recently and it sort of changed the way I look at the character. Boardwalk could totally tighten up its scripting and direction, if Shannon's interpretation of the character is canon.

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