MDs- Are they really benefiting in today's society?

Originally Posted by Aperipan

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They get no respect from surgeons though. They are just highly specialized technicians/assistants.

Originally Posted by Piobaire

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No one gets respect from surgeons. Hell, other surgeons don't get respect from surgeons.

Originally Posted by Captain.Kia

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This is truth. LOL

Originally Posted by globetrotter

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I used to sell to anesthezeologists, boy they hated how surgeuns treated them.

Ok, I was sitting here reading this and smiling...and my wife asked me...*whats so funny? *.....no respect....I agree.

Regards.

Sometimes I feel like the only docs that get any respect these days are podiatrists.

Originally Posted by Shikar

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Ok, I was sitting here reading this and smiling...and my wife asked me...*whats so funny?

*.....no respect....I agree.

Regards.

Are you a surgeon or an anesthesiologist?

who cares about this "respect"

Here you have surgeons (in general) busting their chops for ever diminishing reimbursement, all the same dealing with high malpractice insurance, and figure in the longest residencies of all medical specialties.

Anesthesiologists gets to work with nurse anesthetists, gets very predictable work hours, and gets paid very well (not as well as surgeons in general, but close second).

So better (much better) lifestyle for almost equal pay, what is not to like?

This stereotype of surgeons disrespecting all other specialities is old, based on older generation. Newer docs wants lifestyle first.

Originally Posted by lee_44106

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who cares about this "respect"

Here you have surgeons (in general) busting their chops for ever diminishing reimbursement, all the same dealing with high malpractice insurance, and figure in the longest residencies of all medical specialties.

Anesthesiologists gets to work with nurse anesthetists, gets very predictable work hours, and gets paid very well (not as well as surgeons in general, but close second).

So better (much better) lifestyle for almost equal pay, what is not to like?

This stereotype of surgeons disrespecting all other specialities is old, based on older generation. Newer docs wants lifestyle first.

LOL, if you say so. A few weeks ago, I was at a happy hour, when in walked 4-5 CT surgeons I know, all between 35-45. They sat a few tables away, and I could hear them busting chops on various other medical professionals.

Surgerons tend to be super Type A, adrenaline junkies, with huge egos. That's fine with me though. If someone is sticking their hands into my body, and cutting pieces of it, I want a super Type A with a huge ego doing it. I don't want a mousey person that says, "Well, this might work." I want a decisive person that says, "HELL YEAH! We can do this!"

Originally Posted by btinl

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Are you a surgeon or an anesthesiologist?

Nope, I am not surg. or Anes.
Hated the OR with a passion!!

Regards.

My father-in-law is a pediatric cardiologist - he has his own clinic in a childrens hospital in Detroit - the entire hospital took a 10% pay cut as of December '08 - he said it's pretty bad in the medical field - maybe Detroit is worse than anywhere else, though

Plastic surgery is down slightly year over year. Of course it's down from ridic highs. Supposedly there was an uptick in doctor visits and general surgery because people knew they were getting laid off. People talk about medicaid cuts but I never see it happen. People talk about insurance loss after getting laid off and then cobra coverage is extended. Yeah, doctors are going poor and that's why people compete so hard to get into medical school and then so many medical offices are around central park in NY. I've never gone into a medical office in NY and seen it be empty, let alone have a short wait. And I'm sure all that cash that's accepted as part of the co-pay is reported as taxable income too. Not sure what things are like in hospitals but I can't imagine that the doctors in hospitals here are suffering unless they're DO's or carribean school grads that ended up working in one of the poor hospitals - even then I think they're doing more than OK.

Originally Posted by haganah

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Plastic surgery is down slightly year over year. Of course it's down from ridic highs. Supposedly there was an uptick in doctor visits and general surgery because people knew they were getting laid off. People talk about medicaid cuts but I never see it happen. People talk about insurance loss after getting laid off and then cobra coverage is extended. Yeah, doctors are going poor and that's why people compete so hard to get into medical school and then so many medical offices are around central park in NY. I've never gone into a medical office in NY and seen it be empty, let alone have a short wait. And I'm sure all that cash that's accepted as part of the co-pay is reported as taxable income too. Not sure what things are like in hospitals but I can't imagine that the doctors in hospitals here are suffering unless they're DO's or carribean school grads that ended up working in one of the poor hospitals - even then I think they're doing more than OK.

Did you possibly mean Medicare? Because trust me, Medicaid has been cut in many states, both on rates and covered items. And Medicare has effectively been cut, due to some new legislation on payment methodology. I.e. nosocomial outliers are eaten by the provider.

Originally Posted by lee_44106

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who cares about this "respect"

Here you have surgeons (in general) busting their chops for ever diminishing reimbursement, all the same dealing with high malpractice insurance, and figure in the longest residencies of all medical specialties.

Anesthesiologists gets to work with nurse anesthetists, gets very predictable work hours, and gets paid very well (not as well as surgeons in general, but close second).

So better (much better) lifestyle for almost equal pay, what is not to like?

This stereotype of surgeons disrespecting all other specialities is old, based on older generation. Newer docs wants lifestyle first.

It's all cyclical. Fifteen years ago anesthesiologists made crap and only foreign medical grads would go into the field. Then salaries picked up and suddenly it's a fight to the death to get in. Salaries are starting to fall for them and CRNA competition is a big threat. The cycle continues. Ten years from now their salaries will be at least 30% lower.

The stereotype never changes because surgery never gets any easier. CT attendings lived in the hospital 20 years ago and they live there now. The surgeons just disrespect other doctors more in response to their increasing choosing of field based on lifestyle.

Originally Posted by haganah

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Plastic surgery is down slightly year over year. Of course it's down from ridic highs. Supposedly there was an uptick in doctor visits and general surgery because people knew they were getting laid off. People talk about medicaid cuts but I never see it happen. People talk about insurance loss after getting laid off and then cobra coverage is extended. Yeah, doctors are going poor and that's why people compete so hard to get into medical school and then so many medical offices are around central park in NY. I've never gone into a medical office in NY and seen it be empty, let alone have a short wait. And I'm sure all that cash that's accepted as part of the co-pay is reported as taxable income too. Not sure what things are like in hospitals but I can't imagine that the doctors in hospitals here are suffering unless they're DO's or carribean school grads that ended up working in one of the poor hospitals - even then I think they're doing more than OK.

I am sorry but quite a bit of what you write is incorrect. I encourage you not to make statements without much knowledge, but its fine if thats what you believe, then its just your opinion.

Originally Posted by Piobaire

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Did you possibly mean Medicare? Because trust me, Medicaid has been cut in many states, both on rates and covered items. And Medicare has effectively been cut, due to some new legislation on payment methodology. I.e. nosocomial outliers are eaten by the provider.

I think you are sugarcoating it ....a LOT. :

Originally Posted by needler

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It's all cyclical. Fifteen years ago anesthesiologists made crap and only foreign medical grads would go into the field. Then salaries picked up and suddenly it's a fight to the death to get in. Salaries are starting to fall for them and CRNA competition is a big threat. The cycle continues. Ten years from now their salaries will be at least 30% lower.

The stereotype never changes because surgery never gets any easier. CT attendings lived in the hospital 20 years ago and they live there now. The surgeons just disrespect other doctors more in response to their increasing choosing of field based on lifestyle.

15 years ago Anes. residency were wide open...lots of post-match places, it was a last resort backup...not any more....welcome to pain management!

Regards.

Originally Posted by needler

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You are 100% certain to be crawling with the same amount of staph bacteria at this very moment. The only difference is that her staph may be resistant to most penicillin-type antibiotics. Is that enough to pass on a hot chick? If so you might want to start dating psychologists.

Actually, MRSA is being found more and more in non-hospital settings, known as community-acquired MRSA. It grows faster than than hospital-acquired strains, and may overtake HA-MRSA as one of the coming decade's leading public health concerns.

Originally Posted by Vintage Gent

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Actually, MRSA is being found more and more in non-hospital settings, known as community-acquired MRSA. It grows faster than than hospital-acquired strains, and may overtake HA-MRSA as one of the coming decade's leading public health concerns.

Damn, you are smart and look good in a BD coat!

Regards.

Originally Posted by Shikar

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I think you are sugarcoating it ....a LOT. :

I just gloss over many things, and paint with big strokes. No one really wants to hear what someone that actually deals with these things daily has to say, so I don't put too much effort into detailed explanations anymore.

It's much easier to pick the talking point you want to believe in and defend that.

Originally Posted by Piobaire

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Did you possibly mean Medicare? Because trust me, Medicaid has been cut in many states, both on rates and covered items. And Medicare has effectively been cut, due to some new legislation on payment methodology. I.e. nosocomial outliers are eaten by the provider.
Sorry. Yes. "Nine days after a 10.6% cut to Medicare physician payments went into effect, the Senate acted in dramatic fashion to replace the cut with a modest pay increase for the next 18 months. The legislation (H.R. 6331), which passed both the House and Senate by veto-proof margins, extends the 0.5% Medicare pay increase in place for the first half of 2008 and gives physicians a 1.1% raise for 2009. " That is just one example.

Originally Posted by Shikar

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I am sorry but quite a bit of what you write is incorrect. I encourage you not to make statements without much knowledge, but its fine if thats what you believe, then its just your opinion.

Shikar, you are the king of going into threads and writting a dismissive post without any sort of meat behind it. Usually it occurs in CE. And the only person that appreciates it is your strange friend rnoldh.