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Covid accelerated dress code de-formalization - true or false?

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New today: https://www.wsj.com/articles/jacket...-the-pandemic-changed-dress-codes-11624286698

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‘Jacket Required’ No More? How the Pandemic Changed Dress Codes

FOR THE FIRST time in its 35-year history, Manhattan’s Le Bernardin is letting male patrons order its tasting menu or a bottle of Burgundy without wearing a sportcoat. When it reopened its polished dining room on March 17 after a several month hiatus, the three-Michelin-starred restaurant discarded its longstanding “jacket required” dress code. The decision, said chef and co-owner Eric Ripert, was driven by hygiene concerns.

Pre-pandemic, between five and 10 men on average arrived nightly at Le Bernardin in their shirt-sleeves. To maintain a sense of decorum, the restaurant would give these too-casual diners a loaner jacket for the evening. But this system didn’t work in the Covid era. It required Le Bernardin’s staff to get too close to clients, and to touch their worn jackets after the meal’s conclusion. For Le Bernardin, “jacket required” became an unsanitary, unworkable policy.

Add restaurant dress codes to the list of the many things scrambled by the global health crisis. Upon reopening earlier this year, Galatoire’s, a jacket-required stickler in New Orleans, also stopped giving out germ-magnet loaners. Guests who arrived sans sportcoat, said the restaurant’s general manager Billy Clark, were steered toward the bar or a separate, more laissez-faire dining room where the sight of shirt-sleeves wouldn’t ruin someone’s supper.

La Grenouille, a chichi 59-year-old French haute cuisine destination in Manhattan has clung to a jacket-required policy for all guests eating indoors—its Opentable reservation page still advertises this policy. Yet, like many New York City restaurants, La Grenouille added an ample outdoor seating area last year and guests dining al fresco are permitted to enjoy their meals without a sportcoat.

Even before Covid, the jacket-required dress code—once de rigueur at finer establishments nationwide—had started to seem increasingly out of date. In keeping with the creeping casualization of how we dress, many formal hold-outs like Spaggia in Chicago and the French Laundry in Yountville, Calif., had already eliminated their jacket requirements pre-pandemic. (At most such eateries, however, shorts, tank tops and flip-flops remain verboten.)

At his Manhattan restaurant Daniel, the famed Michelin-starred chef Daniel Boulud nixed the jacket requirement several years ago. As he noted, “I have a lot of designer jeans that cost more money than a suit.” For him, it was about customers’ comfort level: If they felt more natural in their shirt sleeves, who was he to force them into a jacket? For many other establishments, the push they needed to retire “jacket required” during the pandemic was the hygiene considerations, or the incongruity of making patrons dress formally when their table was on the sidewalk.

Michael O’Keeffe, the proprietor of the fussy River Café on the waterfront in Brooklyn, is unwavering in his commitment to “jacket required.” People have “surrendered to the indignities of our society,” by dressing down to go out to eat, he said. “I’m holding the line.” The policy doesn’t seem to keep eaters away, said Mr. O’Keeffe: “We don’t have any trouble being full every night with people dressing up.” Indeed, the River Café is currently booked up for dinner weeks in advance. Mr. Clark of Galatoire’s noted that the 116-year-old restaurant never considered fully removing the jacket requirement in its formal dining room. “It’s a Galatoire’s tradition that people love to be a part of,” he said. (It should also be noted that many private country clubs still require guests to wear sport coats to dinner.)

But curiously, all the sartorial energy that became pent up during the pandemic seems to be perpetuating formality despite the loosening dress codes. All the restaurateurs I spoke with noted that, as customers flock back to their establishments to celebrate birthdays, anniversaries or friendly reunions, they’re treating these occasions as an opportunity to finally dust off their dress clothes.

Mr. Boulud noted that, since he reopened Daniel in February, even with his jacket-optional policy, diners come dressed to the nines. “We have a lot of young customers, and I tell you, most of them dress up without [my] telling them that they need to dress up,” he said.

At Le Bernardin, too, though jackets may be optional now, most men are still opting for them. Mr. Ripert said that he was “very surprised” to see almost every male patron come in wearing a jacket these past few months. Going out for an elaborate dinner now feels more like an occasion than ever before, he observed. “The gentlemen are very, very happy to be elegant.”
 
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These articles are always so strange to me because they never fail to elicit a wide response. But how many people are going to such restaurants? Le Bernardin charges about $200 for dinner. Daniel is something around $250. Do these changes in rules have any real impact on anyone except for an incredibly narrow slice of society?
 

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I'd have just done away with loaner jackets and turned away the guys who couldn't be bothered to abide by the well-publicized policy requiring a jacket at dinner there.

Boulud totally misses the point by talking about how his jeans cost more than a suit.
 

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I'd have just done away with loaner jackets and turned away the guys who couldn't be bothered to abide by the well-publicized policy requiring a jacket at dinner there.

Boulud totally misses the point by talking about how his jeans cost more than a suit.

I actually heard someone make that argument to a maitre 'd once..."you can't sit in the main dining room in jeans"

"but my jeans cost more than most suits, so I should be able to".
 

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These articles are always so strange to me because they never fail to elicit a wide response. But how many people are going to such restaurants? Le Bernardin charges about $200 for dinner. Daniel is something around $250. Do these changes in rules have any real impact on anyone except for an incredibly narrow slice of society?

I'd guess a significantly larger portion of society than buys bespoke suits or $1,000 pairs of shoes.
 

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Dining dress codes have always been more of a function of socioeconomic and even racial exclusivity, not decorum.

Many upscale nightclubs around me prominently display signs "No doo-rags, oversized t-shirts, baggy pants, necklaces worn outside the shirt, or sports jerseys. Baseball caps must be worn straight forward or backward only."

I imagine there was a time, not too distant, where these stick-up-your-ass dining establishments did not offer improperly-dressed men "loaner" jackets. No jacket, no entry. Growing backlash at this overt classism required these establishments to soften their stances -- or at least make efforts to forgive the dress code violations -- to accommodate modern sensibilities and social awareness.

Which is not to say, I did not have a lot of fun eating and getting hammered on bourbon Manhattans at the 21 Club -- part of the fun being that everyone was all dressed up there's actually an attendant in the bathroom smelling people's farts and **** all night and offering them chewing gum. I agree, it's part of the unique experience that should be preserved.

A better case study of formality's decline is post-pandemic business attire. Ties, once strictly enforced and policed in my company, are now rarely seen. More tenured individuals now don't even wear suits unless they are meeting with clients.

I believe this will pendulum back, in the other direction, however. My father noted a drop in formality in high finance settings immediately after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. For months, he wore jeans to work. Then it was relegated to casual Fridays, then gradually, it was back to suit and tie at all times.

I think this will repeat itself.
 

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True, but we're on a clothing forum, so it seems natural to talk about expensive clothes in a way it doesn't seem natural to talk about $250 dinners.

Sure, but I would guess that once you're buying expensive clothes, you've already been eating expensive dinners for a while...if you're into expensive dinners at all. On the other hand, I'm sure there's plenty of people who eat at Le Bernadin in Jos A. Banks and Nunn Bush (I know that's what I was wearing the time I went there a decade ago).
 

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Sure, but I would guess that once you're buying expensive clothes, you've already been eating expensive dinners for a while...if you're into expensive dinners at all. On the other hand, I'm sure there's plenty of people who eat at Le Bernadin in Jos A. Banks and Nunn Bush (I know that's what I was wearing the time I went there a decade ago).

I suppose it depends on your definition of expensive. In San Francisco, I think a "nice" restaurant usually charges between $30 and $75 for a meal. I consider that somewhat "normal." Meaning, if you're buying expensive clothes, then you're probably eating at those places on a somewhat regular basis.

Perhaps there are people here that regularly spend $200 for a meal. I know of fewer than five such people in my life, but I know many more people who regularly buy expensive clothes.

When these articles get posted, it always elicits a big response. If you want to make a quick buck as a fashion writer, just pitch a story to an editor about how offices dress codes are relaxing or how restaurants no longer require a coat and tie. For some reason, people love these types of stories. The second is especially strange to me because I don't know many people who regularly spend $200 on a meal.
 

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I suppose it depends on your definition of expensive. In San Francisco, I think a "nice" restaurant usually charges between $30 and $75 for a meal. I consider that somewhat "normal." Meaning, if you're buying expensive clothes, then you're probably eating at those places on a somewhat regular basis.

Perhaps there are people here that regularly spend $200 for a meal. I know of fewer than five such people in my life, but I know many more people who regularly buy expensive clothes.

When these articles get posted, it always elicits a big response. If you want to make a quick buck as a fashion writer, just pitch a story to an editor about how offices dress codes are relaxing or how restaurants no longer require a coat and tie. For some reason, people love these types of stories. The second is especially strange to me because I don't know many people who regularly spend $200 on a meal.

I think $30-$75 for a meal is the equivalent of Allen Edmonds for shoes.

I do understand what you're saying about the reaction to the articles. But aren't you the one who's always talking about how our cues for classic menswear dress starts with the upper classes (i.e., people who are eating at Le Bernadin once or twice a month)? I'm surprised you don't think it's relevant as the starting point of a trickle down effect on dress norms.
 

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Articles like this get written because of our overall fascination with the lifestyles of the rich and famous. I don't think this was intended to be our typical media outrage bait.
 

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I think $30-$75 for a meal is the equivalent of Allen Edmonds for shoes.

I do understand what you're saying about the reaction to the articles. But aren't you the one who's always talking about how our cues for classic menswear dress starts with the upper classes (i.e., people who are eating at Le Bernadin once or twice a month)? I'm surprised you don't think it's relevant as the starting point of a trickle down effect on dress norms.

I don't think dress norms are so clear-cut anymore. Meaning, I don't think they just flow from the top down. I think there's a bit of back and forth now between the different sections of society.
 

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Suits are becoming scarcer in the public sector. This seems like a harbinger of "casualization" as government tends to be stodgy and conservative. Politicians still wear suits, but it's pretty rare to see the higher-level civil servants in a suit on most days.

I rarely need to wear a suit. I do like to wear a sportcoat (no tie), but that makes me an outlier in my office. A lot of the men dress like slobs.
 

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