milk: does a body terrible?

Agreed, but wouldn't you love to get your hands on some real natural butter, buttermilk, and unhomogenized whole milk? I don't care for the whole raw bit necessarily, but I had some excellent (whole, unhomogenized) milk from Dutchmen's Dairy while out in BC, and there is no turning back...

Originally Posted by rjmaiorano

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I guy I work with likes to tell me he doesn't drink milk because it thickens the skin... "how am I ever supposed to see my six-pack if I have thick skin?" Genius.

this is sort of true...but not the best description of what is happening.
if you are trying to get shredded, milk is out.

IMO, off season, milk and eggs have given me the best weight gains of my life.
During the summer, I don't drink it.

Originally Posted by whacked

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Right... you'll get the equivalent amount of calcium in a 8oz glass of milk from 1 pound of cooked broccoli, which by the way has over 200 calories.

"When it comes to building strong bones, broccoli's got it all for less. One cup of cooked broccoli contains 74 mg of calcium, plus 123 mg of vitamin C, which significantly improves calcium's absorption; all this for a total of only 44 calories. To put this in perspective, an orange contains no calcium, 69 mg of vitamin C, and 60-about 50% more-calories. Dairy products, long touted as the most reliable source of calcium, contain no vitamin C, but do contain saturated fat. A glass of 2% milk contains 121 calories, and 42 of those calories come from fat."

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...odspice&dbid=9

I was just pointing out that there are vegetables out there that will supply you with plenty of calcium without all the fat and extra sugar AND you'll get more vitamin C which significantly improves calcium's absorption. Milk is obviously an excellent source of calcium, but when you factor in all the other benefits of looking for veggies to supply your calcium, I think they outweigh milk. Of course the dairy industry wants you to think otherwise.

We all get enough calcium already from veggies and dairy. Magnesium deficiency is the problem most have, not calcium.

Originally Posted by Gradstudent78

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What single food are humans "suppose to eat"? We are omnivores and pretty much eat whatever we can eat. So people can drink milk, largely because whatever population their ancestors are from decided that they were "suppose to eat" milk.

there is a good argument that most of what we eat now was introduced to us after we completed 99.999 % of our evolutionary development. it is unclear how flexible our guts really are. the fact that our ansestors found that it was very econoimical to eat certain things doesn't mean that our bodies have adapted to them.

I think raw milk is interesting, but a lot of its advocates have the whole tinfoil hat thing going on.

Originally Posted by globetrotter

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there is a good argument that most of what we eat now was introduced to us after we completed 99.999 % of our evolutionary development. it is unclear how flexible our guts really are. the fact that our ansestors found that it was very econoimical to eat certain things doesn't mean that our bodies have adapted to them.

You mean our diet has changed within a very short evolutionary period? Agreed.

Originally Posted by unjung

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I think raw milk is interesting, but a lot of its advocates have the whole tinfoil hat thing going on.

You mean our diet has changed within a very short evolutionary period? Agreed.

That's true, but it applies to the majority of what we eat today, not just milk. The corn we eat today didn't exist (at least in a form most people would recognize) before agriculture in the Americas and the majority of the world hasn't been eating it very long.

There is a good reason to not drink milk. It doesn't taste good. Milk is better utilized for products that actually taste good, e.g. cheese, yogurt, ice cream, and for feeding baby veal cows. Mmm delicious.

Originally Posted by Fat-Elvis

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Funny how the countries with the highest rates of conditions associated with low calcium consumption are also dairy consuming countries.

dingdingding.

http://www.vegsource.com/attwood/milk.htm

Originally Posted by matadorpoeta

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i started this same discussion about a month ago. when you started typing this one, mine should have popped up on your screen. it was called "milk".

i apologize. when i typed this title, nothing about milk popped up. next time i'll be more thorough.

I've hear that milk (and dairy in general) can worsen acne. Can someone shed some light on this ?

Strictly Cambodian Breast Milk

Originally Posted by Big Punisher

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I've hear that milk (and dairy in general) can worsen acne. Can someone shed some light on this ?

most certainly makes it worse for me. i dont consume that much milk. maybe a large bowl of cereal and a glass a day. whenever i cut out milk for a few days, my skin completely clears up.

Originally Posted by Big Punisher

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I've hear that milk (and dairy in general) can worsen acne. Can someone shed some light on this ?

People have blamed just about everything for acne at one time or another. There are some (sadly) amusing psychological studies out there that show just how terrible people are at distinguishing causation from correlation in their personal lives due to various biases. Believe "XXX worsens my acne" at your own peril.

Originally Posted by Milhouse

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There is a good reason to not drink milk. It doesn't taste good. Milk is better utilized for products that actually taste good, e.g. cheese, yogurt, ice cream, and for feeding baby veal cows. Mmm delicious.

Agreed.