Navy Hopsack Suit?

Wes Bourne · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by edmorel

Stopped selling other brand's office pants

edmorel: Quality Maker?

RJman · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by Film Noir Buff

The Buffet residence, the lady of the house speaking!

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Originally Posted by youngtoff

Watching Americans argue about class is like watching pygmies wrestle.

There is only one class distinction that matters, and only two classes. Those that can trace their family back before 1066, who can wear what they like and it doesn't matter, and those who can not trace their family back that far, who can also wear what they like, but because they don't matter.
Oh yeah? You probably had to buy your own furniture!

voxsartoria · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

I think class is less about money than you do, at least around here. It's a component, but not the component. An unreliable indicator, you might say.

[merkur]

Originally Posted by Xiaogou

STFU.

- B

voxsartoria · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by youngscientist

Watching Americans argue about class is like watching pygmies wrestle.

There is only one class distinction that matters, and only two classes. Those that can trace their family back before 1066, who can wear what they like and it doesn't matter, and those who can not trace their family back that far, who can also wear what they like, but because they don't matter.

You realize, of course, that you have just opened the door for FNB to discuss his noble Norman ancestry.

- B

ysc · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by RJman

...Oh yeah? You probably had to buy your own furniture!

No, it came with the castle.

voxsartoria · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by Wes Bourne

edmorel: Quality Maker?

MorelWear: Go for the Torqueâ„¢

- B

Wes Bourne · Nov 23, 2009

It should also be noted that, irrespective of social class and wealth, some doods just have a knack for being classless turds.

DocHolliday · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

Just recently, we had a delightful dinner with acquaintances of secure and unimpeachable society. Early 1800s merchant money. A prominent abolitionist family. The most well known member of this family commanded the 54th Regiment in the Civil War, a topic that many of you would know from the movie Glory.

They are comfortable, but not what would be considered rich. So, yes, I agree that there are aspects to certain types of traditional type social standing that are immediately unrelated to money and that money cannot buy perhaps except through the passage of time and generations.

But, I also think that modernity has largely overswept this form of cultural prominence in America and put in its stead an amorphous and ever changing soup of money, mass celebrity, and maybe even a bit of manufactured meritocracy. But, as Poo noted earlier and perhaps this is what you mean as well, vestiges of the past are still mixed in with this.

The degree to which this is true probably continues to have some regional variation.

I think what I'm getting at is more obvious among those who have money than those who don't. One can become rich and never escape his social class.

Admittedly, this is a viewpoint very much informed by having been brought up in the South, where the past isn't as distant as in other locales.

voxsartoria · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by iammatt

The last time I can remember laughing at somebody's apparel was after a dinner party at which a Boston based charity was looking to raise a substantial amount of money for a CA expansion. It was a rather small party, maybe twenty people, and one person whom I have known for thirty years showed up in khakis, a blue buttondown and a tie with pictures of his kids on it. If there were ever an outfit that said "garbageman out on the town" this would have been it. Of course, they guy was also exactly what vox described as a certain upper class (Exeter, Princeton, Harvard, Bohemian Club etc,) though he happens to be very active in the world these days as well.

No doubt, he has strong feelings about hopsack, and is constantly on the lookout for its appearence in an errant suit.

Your story points out another thing, though. Certain important types of social activity...particularly charity and partronage of the arts...cannot be practiced easily without a bit of dough. Talent and taste can sometimes work, but in most cases, you have to have a checkbook.

- B

voxsartoria · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

I think what I'm getting at is more obvious among those who have money than those who don't.

Admittedly, this is a viewpoint very much informed by having been brought up in the South, where the past isn't as distant as in other locales.

Most importantly: how harshly do they judge the hopsack wearer?

- B

RJman · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by voxsartoria

No doubt, he has strong feelings about hopsack, and is constantly on the lookout for its appearence in an errant suit.

Your story points out another thing, though. Certain important types of social activity...particularly charity and partronage of the arts...cannot be practiced easily without a bit of dough. Talent and taste can sometimes work, but in most cases, you have to have a checkbook.

- B

You can't buy your way into the RJ cat Posse.

Wes Bourne · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by RJman

You can't buy your way into the RJ cat Posse.

... But I've read that you can wear your (velvet slipper) way in!

voxsartoria · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by RJman

You can't buy your way into the RJ cat Posse.

Our new kitten, Miri, eschews posses.

- B

George · Nov 23, 2009

Originally Posted by youngscientist

Watching Americans argue about class is like watching pygmies wrestle.

There is only one class distinction that matters, and only two classes. Those that can trace their family back before 1066, who can wear what they like and it doesn't matter, and those who can not trace their family back that far, who can also wear what they like, but because they don't matter.

Closer · Nov 23, 2009

I have no use for any other measure of success, other than personal success. I have no use for classes

I am never impressed by what someones ancestors have accomplished. That is like the white supremicist, born in a trailer park, who is proud just to be born white.

This kind of thinking is like admitting that your life peaked at birth.

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