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Originally Posted by JamesX
It would be a bit hard to provide sources since it is from my experience interacting with Chinese people. And they are not referring to the Local Dialect, they are if translated literally it would be something like "Jin Nose" or "Jin Throat." It is about their accent when they speak standardized mandrain. It like someone saying French accented English sounds the best. French is its own lanaguge, but french speakers impart their accent when they speak English. I speak Taiwanese Mandarin, and I occasional get teased by associates in China when I am over for business. I was never compliemented on my better sounding Mandarin.
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Ahh... I get it. But I have a weird suspicion that it is not Jin but Jing.... as in Beijing... 京声,京腔, which then I would agree with.
 

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Originally Posted by lasbar
I love London cabbies... They're such ignorant wankers... I just blanked them them when they try to speak to me.
****'s and men who don't drink real beer should just be sent back to Afrikkka, amirite? Sent from my HTC Desire HD using Tapatalk
 

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Originally Posted by cronicmole
HermesMan is back? I thought you were an enigma

I have grown to like Hermes Man. He offers a Ying perspective on clothing when most of us are Yang. Makes life a little more interesting.
 

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Originally Posted by Klobber
I have grown to like Hermes Man. He offers a Ying perspective on clothing when most of us are Yang. Makes life a little more interesting.

he provides amusement (although not intentionally i would think), which makes life a little more...amusing
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Originally Posted by entrero
Which region would you call it "the rednecks of China"?
Everywhere. (0) I guess you could say guang dong, because a lot of the peasants here can't speak standard Chinese- they'll speak it with a thick Cantonese accent and use about 50/50 Mandarin/Cantonese vocabulary. Ex. "Lei si bu si mei gou yan?" (你是不是美国人?) or "yao bu yao yin sui gou ji?" (要不要喝水果汁?)
Originally Posted by linsook
You must have spoken to a lot of Chinese people then. Its funny they would say that given that how mandarin is spoken in the south and how it is spoken in Taiwan is not discernable, ignoring regional slang and poorly spoken mandarin(hk/gz).
Taiwanese Mandarin and Southern Mandarin are extremely discernible. It isn't just the s/sh z/zh sounds, but the cleanness of the pronunciation and the way they speak is different. My Taiwanese friend often has to repeat himself several times to people here, and they always ask him "你是台湾人,是吧? 你的中文很标砖!” But that's basically what you said anyway about poorly spoken/adulterated mandarin, which is my point- Taiwanese Mandarin is considered more "pure" and correct than the Mandarin heard in provinces of China.
 

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Originally Posted by Klobber
I have grown to like Hermes Man. He offers a Ying perspective on clothing when most of us are Yang. Makes life a little more interesting.

He is my favourite online pal. It is so entertaining reading his post.

I like it!
 

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Originally Posted by MikeDT
I did just find this abomination on Burberry's UK site:-
http://uk.burberry.com/store/menswea...-cotton-shirt/
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Haha, that's great! I'm way too cheap to buy it, but I love it, especially the "bramble" color.
Originally Posted by Klobber
I have grown to like Hermes Man. He offers a Ying perspective on clothing when most of us are Yang. Makes life a little more interesting.
Also, he's totally honest with himself and everybody else as to the reasons why he likes nice clothing.
 

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Originally Posted by Eason
Everywhere. (0) I guess you could say guang dong, because a lot of the peasants here can't speak standard Chinese- they'll speak it with a thick Cantonese accent and use about 50/50 Mandarin/Cantonese vocabulary. Ex. "Lei si bu si mei gou yan?" (你是不是美国人?) or "yao bu yao yin sui gou ji?" (要不要喝水果汁?) Taiwanese Mandarin and Southern Mandarin are extremely discernible. It isn't just the s/sh z/zh sounds, but the cleanness of the pronunciation and the way they speak is different. My Taiwanese friend often has to repeat himself several times to people here, and they always ask him "你是台湾人,是吧? 你的中文很标砖!” But that's basically what you said anyway about poorly spoken/adulterated mandarin, which is my point- Taiwanese Mandarin is considered more "pure" and correct than the Mandarin heard in provinces of China.
Its apparent your views are heavily influenced by where you currently are. I'm assuming in Guangdong somewhere. China, has over 20 provinces. the south consists of more than just GD. Could you explain how anyone who speaks Mandarn fluently and properly but not standard(s/sh, z/zh), would say the Taiwanese speak better or more 'Pure', when in fact they are both exactly the same? I would also dare to say, nobody in the northern areas including provinces just outside of GD would ever say that the Taiwanese speak more 'Pure'. JamesX actually brought up an interesting fact earlier. One that I find many do not know. The standard set for spoken Mandarin Chinese, by the PRC and ROC, for their respective territories are the same. Time to actually travel around China my friend. One thing you must come to realize is that you can't have a wide sweeping brush and paint the whole of China with the same opinion or annecdotal evidence you find in just 1 small area. It doesn't work. ps: 你是台湾人,是吧? 你的中文很标砖. its 标准 not 砖。 You know, that phrase is funny... its like the speakers expectation of taiwanese mandarin is so low that they are surprised that that person spoke so well. lol
 

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People in Beijing said that. I have a creeping feeling that you're Chinese so I'm going to stop talking to you now.
 

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Originally Posted by Eason
People in Beijing said that. I have a creeping feeling that you're Chinese so I'm going to stop talking to you now.

I'm Canadian, born and raised. A son to Cantonese parents. Studied, worked and lived in Beijing.
 

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Originally Posted by linsook
Its apparent your views are heavily influenced by where you currently are. I'm assuming in Guangdong somewhere. China, has over 20 provinces. the south consists of more than just GD. Could you explain how anyone who speaks Mandarn fluently and properly but not standard(s/sh, z/zh), would say the Taiwanese speak better or more 'Pure', when in fact they are both exactly the same? I would also dare to say, nobody in the northern areas including provinces just outside of GD would ever say that the Taiwanese speak more 'Pure'.

JamesX actually brought up an interesting fact earlier. One that I find many do not know. The standard set for spoken Mandarin Chinese, by the PRC and ROC, for their respective territories are the same.

Time to actually travel around China my friend. One thing you must come to realize is that you can't have a wide sweeping brush and paint the whole of China with the same opinion or annecdotal evidence you find in just 1 small area. It doesn't work.

ps: 你是台湾人,是吧? 你的中文很标砖. its 标准 not 砖。 You know, that phrase is funny... its like the speakers expectation of taiwanese mandarin is so low that they are surprised that that person spoke so well. lol


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Taiwanese mandarin is horrible (and I'm American/Taiwanese)
 

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