conservative business dress WAYWRN: An Experiment

Originally Posted by Manton

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The tie is awful.

It's not even close to conservative business dress as defined on the interwebs.

I think I need some help as to the boundaries of this thread.

I thought you had established this was seven continent conservative business dress not purely US conservative business dress?

Whilst I realised classic Liberty print's aren't to everybody's taste from an English point of view I can't see how it's not conservative:

The fabric design dates back to the 1880's
Liberty prints have been used on gentleman's ties for over 100 years.
The colours are pretty muted for a Liberty print.
It would not cause offence in a London office where loafers or brown shoes would still be regarded as a faux pas.
Liberty are part of the establishment here - hardly avant garde

I've no wish to step over the boundaries of the thread, but I seem to be struggling as to how international conservative business dress is defined on the interwebs.

If the remit of the thread is limited to nothing that would be out of place in an American accountacy firm then I'm happy trying to conform to that, but I clarification would be helpful

Mitt Romney is always conservative business dress fly. No pocket square, but I don't know of any president/president hopeful who's ventured into PS territory since Ronny.

I like the tie.

Originally Posted by ManofKent

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I thought you had established this was seven continent conservative business dress not purely US conservative business dress?

Yeah, but it's a mix of that plus SF groupthink.

I am interested to read/see more about what flies and what does not in other environments. Your discussions on English shoe culture I find very useful.

However, things that I think are simply ugly and/or defy SF groupthink (I strive to make these categories overlap as much as possible) I am not so interested in.

conservative business dress is not as simple as people think. It's not just a matter of what's acceptable in a given mileau. It's also a matter of what looks to good to us iGents. "Internationally classic" might capture it. Or, another acronym might be TITFDYB (Tone it the *&^% down you bastards!).

Me today...it's been a long day. Square style/fold inspired by Phatty.

I think that would look great with a solid blue shirt. I like the tattersal just not with that tie.

Maybe i get banned from posting on SF, but for Woostgod´s sake, the first pictures of your fits are alyways shite...i can´t barely tell if it´s a db or 2b suit, Manton. Can you take more seconds/thirds/fourths and less firsts?

Rest is eye-candy, though. Loads to learn here.

Manton: Is that Bengal-Stripe shirt a linen-cotton blend, or is the camera just playing tricks?

MOK:Where do you get your suiting from? The fabrics and features (hacking pockets, etc.) screams of department-store mass production to me. This might sound like a really douche-bag thing to say, but I rarely find that your clothing is in good-taste. That coming from a guy who never posts himself is pretty rich, I know. I think that a lot of members here have so many clothes (such as NYR), and I wonder why that don't go for less items, of better quality. I would rather have 5 suits from someone like NSM or Chan, then 15 suits from a maker who charges the 1/3rd of the price, and produces a less attractive style of garment. I don't know, I feel that SF'ers often go for quantity over quality.

GDL-you dress good for being French haha

As usual, love the DB Manton. Very nice silhouette. Wish more people wore them.

Originally Posted by quar

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Manton: Is that Bengal-Stripe shirt a linen-cotton blend, or is the camera just playing tricks? MOK:Where do you get your suiting from? The fabrics and features (hacking pockets, etc.) screams of department-store mass production to me. This might sound like a really douche-bag thing to say, but I rarely find that your clothing is in good-taste. That coming from a guy who never posts himself is pretty rich, I know. I think that a lot of members here have so many clothes (such as NYR), and I wonder why that don't go for less items, of better quality. I would rather have 5 suits from someone like NSM or Chan, then 15 suits from a maker who charges the 1/3rd of the price, and produces a less attractive style of garment. I don't know, I feel that SF'ers often go for quantity over quality.
I don't think I have ever agreed less with a post here.

Originally Posted by Cary Grant

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I don't think I have ever agreed less with a post here.

+1. quar, you know NYR's stuff is mostly bespoke, right? And happens to fit him perfectly?

Originally Posted by Orgetorix

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+1. quar, you know NYR's stuff is mostly bespoke, right? And happens to fit him perfectly?
Yes. I know that he does get most of his stuff from a NY Tailor, his name is Frank "Something" from memory. He was a bad example. I agree that his clothing fits him well. The style of the clothing (shoulders and chest) isn't in line with what I like, which is not something I can fault him on. It's not something I can put my finger on, but his clothing (to me) lacks the 'high-end' look that some of the other members here achieve (oldog, Manton, gdl203, edmorel, NOBD, whnay). I am neither smart enough or know enough about clothing to justify that last comment, but that is just an observation from me. If I saw MOK or NYR walking down the street, I doubt I would notice their clothing from the other stuff I see on a typical Australian city-street. MOK's clothing to me, looks like the same stuff you can buy in any Department Store here in Australia. It just looks cheap, flashy (skinny lapels, one-button, short jacket) and in poor-taste to me. As a matter of interest, I received 2 PM's in the last 15 minutes from people who support my earlier post. It has reinforced the idea in my mind that some SF'ers continue to make poor stylistic options (from the SF Groupthink POV) just because it is too awkward to post negative comments in threads such as these. I know I am going to get ragged on for this, but I just don't care at this point. Some things here are just plain ugly in my opinion, such as MOK's lilac contrast-collared shirt. To me, that is absolutely in bad taste, regardless of whether it's conservative business dress or not in the UK, and I'm sure most here would agree - but no-one actually chimes in to give him feedback about it.

Originally Posted by quar

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Yes. I know that he does get most of his stuff from a NY Tailor, his name is Frank "Something" from memory. He was a bad example. I agree that his clothing fits him well. The style of the clothing (shoulders and chest) isn't in line with what I like, which is not something I can fault him on. It's not something I can put my finger on, but his clothing (to me) lacks the 'high-end' look that some of the other members here achieve (oldog, Manton, gdl203, edmorel, NOBD, whnay). I am neither smart enough or know enough about clothing to justify that last comment, but that is just an observation from me. If I saw MOK or NYR walking down the street, I doubt I would notice their clothing from the other stuff I see on a typical Australian city-street. MOK's clothing to me, looks like the same stuff you can buy in any Department Store here in Australia. It just looks cheap, flashy (skinny lapels, one-button, short jacket) and in poor-taste to me.

As a matter of interest, I received 2 PM's in the last 15 minutes from people who support my earlier post. It has reinforced the idea in my mind that some SF'ers continue to make poor stylistic options (from the SF Groupthink POV) just because it is too awkward to post negative comments in threads such as these. I know I am going to get ragged on for this, but I just don't care at this point. Some things here are just plain ugly in my opinion, such as MOK's lilac contrast-collared shirt. To me, that is absolutely in bad taste, regardless of whether it's conservative business dress or not in the UK, and I'm sure most here would agree - but no-one actually chimes in to give him feedback about it.

Hahaha! You guys need to get a grip.