Favorite shirt material?

TheFoo · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke

No. Mafoo was very rude to tell me to bring Riva to Tom Ford like a jackass when this is completely unrelated. Mafoo's replies to me are generally extremely condescending.

Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke

Let me say this, I very much respect Mafoo's knowledge of menswear and his skill using the english language. At times he has been helpful. However, he can have a very nasty condescending tone to his replies - that I do not appreciate and as a result it drives me to post rude replies.

Most people have dismissed you as a troll or, even worse, for being dim. I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, despite your obtuseness and the numerous threads you've started on exactly the same subject. My facetious suggestion that you ask Tom Ford about Riva cotton was meant to get you thinking about whether you should be rushing into things without really knowing what you're doing. After all, that's how you got in trouble with your Tom Ford suit. You assumed Tom Ford was the greatest thing ever and ignored everyone's warnings attempting to bring you back to earth, insisting we couldn't possibly know better than Tom Ford, the Most Trustworthy Super-Master-God-Tailor in the Universe. The next thing you know, you're in an ill-fitting, half-rayon suit with tumor-shoulders that cost nearly $4,000, and everyone has to spend days pitching in to help you get it fixed. As if all the preceding wasn't already too ridiculous to be true, it turns out all you wanted all along were shoulders that fit and some waist suppression.

Now, you are thinking of buying several hundred dollars worth of shirting fabric you know nothing of other than by reputation. Are you really surprised that patience with you is running thin?

AvariceBespoke · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Most people have dismissed you as a troll or, even worse, for being dim. I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, despite your obtuseness and the numerous threads you've started on exactly the same subject. My facetious suggestion that you ask Tom Ford about Riva cotton was meant to get you thinking about whether you should be rushing into things without really knowing what you're doing. After all, that's how you got in trouble with your Tom Ford suit. You assumed Tom Ford was the greatest thing ever and ignored everyone's warnings attempting to bring you back to earth, insisting we couldn't possibly know better than Tom Ford, the Most Trustworthy Super-Master-God-Tailor in the Universe. The next thing you know, you're in an ill-fitting, half-rayon suit with tumor-shoulders that cost nearly $4,000, and everyone has to spend days pitching in to help you get it fixed. As if all the preceding wasn't already too ridiculous to be true, it turns out all you wanted all along were shoulders that fit and some waist suppression.

Now, you are thinking of buying several hundred dollars worth of shirting fabric you know nothing of other than by reputation. Are you really surprised that patience with you is running thin?

OK Mafoo, the point is don't assume my ignorance in the fit of suits stretches to all walks of menswear. There was no need to continue to be a jackass in a completely unrelated thread. Period.

AvariceBespoke · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Now, you are thinking of buying several hundred dollars worth of shirting fabric you know nothing of other than by reputation. Are you really surprised that patience with you is running thin?

Yes, I was thinking of getting my hands on some Carlo Riva swatches as I heard they are very soft and nice. Including from Mimmo Siviglia's daughter who I spoke to about two years ago over the phone, many people on AAAC, and even you on your blog.

I would not be ordering 3 yards of anything w/o seeing a swatch in person. I've been ordering yards of shirtings from Europe for years.

I have been getting MTM trousers & bespoke shirts for years. I just find it very irratating when you talk to me like a jackass.

TheFoo · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke

OK Mafoo, the point is don't assume my ignorance in the fit of suits stretches to all walks of menswear. There was no need to continue to be a jackass in a completely unrelated thread. Period.

I didn't assume anything. You said you had never seen or touched Riva shirting fabric; I asked you if you did. Hence, you were considering buying something you knew nothing about -- again. If you can show me where my assumption was, I'll eat my words.

AvariceBespoke · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by mafoofan

I didn't assume anything. You said you had never seen or touched Riva shirting fabric; I asked you if you did. Hence, you were considering buying something you knew nothing about -- again. If you can show me where my assumption was, I'll eat my words.

Wrong. I do know about the shirtings. That is WRONG. I have not examined the product enough to purchase BUT I know enough about it to pursue getting my hands on some swatches.

Very simple

TheFoo · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke

Wrong. I do know about the shirtings. That is WRONG. I have not examined the product enough to purchase BUT I know enough about it to pursue getting my hands on some swatches.

Very simple

Yes, it is simple, but not in the way you imagine. You weren't talking about shirtings in general. You were talking about a specific maker.

AvariceBespoke · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Yes, it is simple, but not in the way you imagine. You weren't talking about shirtings in general. You were talking about a specific maker.

Yes, you are right. From a specific maker. I was thinking that I was interested in getting swatches or finding someone with a swatch book of the shirtings and perhaps ordering some if possible. That's all.

I understand my TF posts conveyed extreme ignorance but I assure you my ignorance regarding suits is not pervasive spreading to all other areas.

Steven Aver · Dec 22, 2008

Although casual, nothing is more comfortable on my skin than Oxford cotton, and it is durable.

AvariceBespoke · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Yes, it is simple, but not in the way you imagine. You weren't talking about shirtings in general. You were talking about a specific maker.

yachtie · Dec 22, 2008

^^^ OK Kiss and make up.

This time of year my favorite shirtings are wool, cot/cash, vyella or silk. And don't give me no sh*t about silk shirts- it's -5 F for a high today.

AvariceBespoke · Dec 22, 2008

yachtie;1581753 said:
^^^ OK Kiss and make up.

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Film Noir Buff · Dec 22, 2008

it's difficult watching two friends like mafoofan and AB go at it in this manner.

allan1 · Dec 22, 2008

100% cotton
sometime i don't mind poly-cotton for work shirt (as they are easier to iron than thick 100% cotton like oxford shirting fabrics).

norcaltransplant · Dec 22, 2008

Blue cotton herringbones
Linen/cotton blends

I've been pretty impressed by the Alumo books I've handled. Kiton Riva shirts are nice, but I dont know if the added value is really worth the $650+ retail.

AvariceBespoke · Dec 22, 2008

Originally Posted by norcaltransplant

Blue cotton herringbones
Linen/cotton blends

I've been pretty impressed by the Alumo books I've handled. Kiton Riva shirts are nice, but I dont know if the added value is really worth the $650+ retail.

ya 650 is expensive. i hear that their buttons are hand sewn and the shoulders are partly or all made by hand (this is coming from SA's so who knows)

Alumo is really nice stuff - I like the fabric better than Thomas Mason but most of the Alumo stuff is very simple solids/stripes etc.. if you want anything a bit more bold you have to venture into TM silver

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