Well, I was just teasing you a little after your reaction to my pithy dismissal of your grad alma mater. In fact, I've really enjoyed performing there (mainly at Alice Millar) and my son fell in love with the place last year and wants to do his MA there. Peter Oundjian? Well, to be fair, the orchestra really like him (as much as an orchestra can like any conductor) and in general play quite well for him. He's a brilliant violinist and brings excellent musicianship to the group. But, he's not an arrogant, orchestra building prick like Dutoit was with Montreal. They hated his guts, but they improved so much under him. Toronto would not put up with that and the players seem quite happy in their musical doldrums. The TSO has been mediocre for many years after a string of overrated conductors like Saraste and bores like Herbig. But, they were mediocre in their early days as well in the lovely acoustics of Massey Hall. In Thomson, one of the world's most God forsaken halls, they sound very much like the city. A little glossy, a little shallow, with not much underneath. Playing in that hall is scary bad. Well in the Toyko he was really great but he has focal dystonia so he isn't playing anymore. Unfortunately, building personel is a large part of what makes an orchestra great. Before Nagano, the MSO had Masur, Mehta, and then Dutoit. These are all guys who have helped to build great ensembles. Maazel and Barenboim are also conductors that are not always liked by their ensembles but they get big results. As far as your general opinion on Toronto, I really have to agree.