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The time to buy a new computer is NEVER

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Christofuh, Sep 12, 2007.

  1. Artisan Fan

    Artisan Fan Senior member

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    Get the latest iMac and upgrade every 3 years is my plan.

    I use a new Dell laptop for work and I like it a lot despite the crappy XP O/S.

    Well I agree but the hardware options are quite nice generally speaking and they are more robust. Limited options but better security and reliability in my experience. Also the iMacs are much better on photo and music work.
     
  2. Ludeykrus

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    God I hate Vista. It has a pretty nice frontend for users, but it's so damn buggy.

    I got a new HP laptop a few weeks ago, and am currently fighting a host of problems that I think are related to Divx. Mostly COM Surrogate crashing....
     
  3. Christofuh

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    It's called Windows Movie Maker. It comes free with Windows. You are welcome.


    Yeah, they also throw in WMP. Question is what type of media files it won't fail to choke on ?
    BTW, I've never been a fan - to put it mildly - of the video editing progs that come either pre-intalled or on a separate disc with your PC.
     
  4. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    I called up this pic on a 24" hi-def iMac screen and 1/3 of the shoppers dropped whatever they were doing and rushed to our corner to just stand and stare.
    It looked ficken dazzling [​IMG]
    As a side note, as far as peripherals go I shouldn't expect to have issues with connectivity 'cause Apple factors that in whenever stepping up to a new OS.
    Specifically, the sales rep was referring to the upcoming Leopard system that I contemplate switching over to.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Tokyo Slim

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    I called up this pic on a 24" hi-def iMac screen and 1/3 of the shoppers dropped whatever they were doing and rushed to our corner to just stand and stare.
    It looked ficken dazzling [​IMG]
    [​IMG]


    Its a very nice pic, it looks great on my 24" Dell monitor at home too. I'm not sure exactly what that has to do with anything though. Plus, I don't like the super glossy wood. [​IMG]
     
  6. Christofuh

    Christofuh Senior member

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    Get a load of this gem [​IMG]




    Vista's legal woes
    (via Colin Miller. This post is best enjoyed while listening to either Iron Maiden's "The Number of The Beast", or R.E.M.'s "The End of The World As We Know It") .

    Windows Vista is nearly upon us. Woe unto us, et cetera, et cetera. The Internet is abuzz with stories of people waiting for Vista with either nervous anticipation or disgruntled disgust. There are those who do not care, but their opinions rarely count, do they? Anyway, whether you're in the camp of those who will be queuing for a copy of the software, or you will be protesting with placards outside of your local PC World store, you will be aware of some of the issues debated.

    The first concern with Vista is the re-vamped technological protection measures designed to seek and destroy objectionable materials in the computer, and which will even disable high-quality payback for unlicensed materials. The less publicised problem is that present in Microsoft's new EULA. I have finally managed to read it, and what a read it has proved to be!

    There are two particular parts that I find troubling and highly problematic. The first relates to the removal of unwanted software:


    "If turned on, Windows Defender will search your computer for "spyware," "adware" and other potentially unwanted software. If it finds potentially unwanted software, the software will ask you if you want to ignore, disable (quarantine) or remove it. Any potentially unwanted software rated "high" or "severe," will automatically be removed after scanning unless you change the default setting. Removing or disabling potentially unwanted software may result in
    · other software on your computer ceasing to work, or
    · your breaching a license to use other software on your computer.
    By using this software, it is possible that you will also remove or disable software that is not potentially unwanted software."
    This is problematic because it does not define spyware, and because apparently it allows Microsoft to define that which it considers to be at high and severe risk. While it does state what are the potential results of this system, it does not excuse it. It is the equivalent of me stating in a licence "this may result in the removal of your arm."

    The second worrying section relates to hardware upgrade. This reads:

    "You may uninstall the software and install it on another device for your use. You may not do so to share this license between devices.
    (...)The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time, but only if the license terms of the software you upgraded from allows reassignment."

    Some people have commented that this could very well mean that the possibilities for installing hardware upgrades would be seriously limited, particularly because another section in the licence states how many devices can "access the software installed on the licensed device to use File Services, Print Services, Internet Information Services and Internet Connection Sharing and Telephony Services". This allows 5 devices in Vista Home Basic, and 10 devices in Vista Home Premium and Vista Ultimate. The practicalities of this is that you will be able to make from five to ten changes in your computer, and after those changes, the licence will be deactivated. If you think that ten devices are a lot, this would in theory include USB drives, iPods, PnP wireless devices, routers, cameras, etc. If Microsoft follows the letter of the licence, the computer will easily become a dud.

    Microsoft have stated that this is unlikely, and that the software will not act in the way the licence implies and it will allow minor hardware modifications. On the other hand, some fear that this is a slippery slope, and nothing stops Microsoft from changing their mind.

    I tend to be less worried about the letter of the EULA than other people, mostly because in Europe the licence must be read in conjunction with consumer protection for non-individually drafted contracts. If a consumer is party to a form contract with a large retailer or service provider, the clauses contained must provide an adequate balance between the parties. If one clause is deemed abusive by skewing the balance, then the clause can be struck down from the agreement.

    However, if you are outside of the European Economic Area, you're on your own. May we suggest Linux?
     
  7. Christofuh

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    I don't like the super glossy wood. [​IMG]


    That's what she said [​IMG]
     
  8. Connemara

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    Conne: So, if I need a new PC in the future, I'll know who to call.

    Yessir. [​IMG]

    I have been dying for a new PC, but I simply cannot drop $1K+ right now.

    My Asus W3j laptop is pretty fucking sick, so I'm not too down about it...but oh man, the graphics capabilities available make me so horny.
     
  9. DNW

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    My Asus W3j laptop is pretty fucking sick, so I'm not too down about it...but oh man, the graphics capabilities available make me so horny.

    Dude, a lot of inanimate things seem to be making you horny lately.
     
  10. Brian SD

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    I'm on the edge of a new computer need (built mine 3 years ago with a couple upgrades since then) and have been thinking about the Vista vs. XP thing myself.

    First I use Windows 2000 still so I've decided that if I can use it for this long with no issues, Windows XP will still be a viable O/S for a long while still, at least for the next 3 or 4 years. By then it will be time for another upgrade. I'm just starting to find now that some vendors aren't supporting Windows 2000 any more. Also Vista offers no real performance issues, has a lot of bugs, and is a resource hog, something I can live without.

    I am also considering getting an Apple Laptop as well for testing purposes and as a second computer. Some may say just get an Apple and do a dual O/S but the laptop would be nice for presentations.

    Buying anything first year usually isn't a smart thing, especially with electronics and cars.


    Apple laptops can run Windows. I have it on mine to play the games that aren't on OS X and it works pretty well. Not as solid as OS X still. [​IMG]
     
  11. ghulkhan

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    Macs are still the industry standard over PCs for film and photography!
     
  12. Tokyo Slim

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    Macs are still the industry standard over PCs for film and photography!

    Correction:
    Most people who do FILM editing, have no use for a Mac or a PC, as FILM is an analog medium.

    If you are talking about digital video, many people use Mac/FCP, but it is NOT "industry standard". If there were to be such a thing, I would say that AVID is still the industry standard.
     
  13. pservino

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    Most of the most commonly used programs used in both photography and video editing ie, photoshop cs3, adobe premier, etc, can be used on either OS. Its hard for me to believe Macs have any advantage to an equally/ appropriately geared PC loaded with the same applications.

    Back to the question at hand. The time to buy a prebuilt system is never. Unless you are in search of a laptop, the best value for your money will always be in building a system yourself. With a little easily learned know how, one can not only purchase just what is needed, but can also get a much lower overall price.

    For instance, my new system:

    Mid Tower ATX Case 40$
    500W PSU 50$
    Intel Core 2 Duo e6750 @2.66, 1333fsb W/ ECS mobo 220$
    250gb HD 70$
    DVD/CD RW drive 50$
    2gb DDR2 800mhz 80$
    ATI x850xt PE 120$

    __________
    630$
    for a nicer system than the average user will ever need
     
  14. Connemara

    Connemara Senior member

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    Dude, a lot of inanimate things seem to be making you horny lately.

    I'm pretty sure Angela Lansbury is not an inanimate object. [​IMG]
     
  15. matadorpoeta

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    If you are talking about digital video, many people use Mac/FCP, but it is NOT "industry standard". If there were to be such a thing, I would say that AVID is still the industry standard.
    at this point, it's pretty even, but i'd say if you are just starting out, you will get more work if you know fcp as opposed to avid. also: logic is the industry standard for audio editing.
     
  16. BDC2823

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    I bought a new Dell computer (nothing special, just a $500 special they had with a 3.00 GHZ Pentium D and 22" widescreen monitor among other things) as a desktop home computer. I wasn't looking for anything special as I only use it for the internet and occasionally work, and I have 2 300GB external hard drives...but it works perfectly for what I want it for. I watch movies on it as well and the monitor is really nice. Anyway, the point is, the major selling point was that I got it with XP home (I have XP pro but can't find the damn authenticity code when I bought it for my laptop..yeah I should have filed it away). I don't like Vista as the bug issue is a major problem and I had a hell of a time finding a new comp to buy that didn't have Vista installed on it. Just a thought if you don't wanna go the Vista route.
     
  17. Christofuh

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    That's an actual price quote.
    Doesn't include the cost of super-multi burner ( figure $75 ) ; assembly ( $125 ) ;
    no wireless keyboard/mouse; no speakers; no 640GB HD; no extra 1 GB of ram;
    no NTSC/Hi-Def tuner; no DVI ports; no umbrella type warranty; no system recovery DVD.
    All those things come standard on a pre-built model selling for about the same money, the reason I list'em.
    Now, if that's not a bullshi'ite deal - then I don't know what is [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  18. DNW

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    That's an actual price quote.
    Doesn't include the cost of super-multi burner ( figure $75 ) ; assembly ( $125 ) ;
    no wireless keyboard/mouse; no speakers; no 640GB HD; no extra 1 GB of ram;
    no NTSC/Hi-Def tuner; no DVI ports; no umbrella type warranty; no system recovery DVD.
    All those things come standard on a pre-built model selling for about the same money, the reason I list'em.
    Now, if that's not a bullshi'ite deal - then I don't know what is [​IMG]


    The prices are a bit higher than market prices, but nothing extravagant. If you really want a nice machine on a reasonable budget, just look around slickdeals for about a week. You'll get an all around kickass machine for under a grand, easily.
     
  19. visionology

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    Apple laptops can run Windows. I have it on mine to play the games that aren't on OS X and it works pretty well. Not as solid as OS X still. [​IMG]

    Yeah if I had the Apple laptop I'd install both their O/S and Windows as well. I would probably use it as my testing / travel / client preview machine.

    I would still have a PC desktop at home. I have way too much money invested in PC software and I am more comfortable with the options I can get with a PC to give it up.
     
  20. Viktri

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    I find all the Mac love and Kiton hate on this forum strange. Mac is the Kiton (insert vastly overpriced items here) of the computer world. http://macvswindows.com/index.php?ti...ws_Comparisons Macs aren't superior in any way but suffer from some disadvantages (and they're so much more expensive). All in all, they're really not very different. As for the mac's and their security remember that the Iphone was cracked quickly and: http://www.techworld.com/security/ne...fm?newsid=1798 http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1695 I asked a co-worker of mine who had recently bought a Mac Book if anti-virus software came with her mac. She said no. I asked her if she planned on getting anti-virus. She said no. Why would she? Macs don't get viruses, right? (there's a difference between no getting and not knowing.. out of sight out of mind) Note that people unable to assemble their own computers & install their own software/update it/authenticate it may have a different point of view as someone already pointed out - Macs were made to be easy. Windows is much more customizable. You don't even have to use the windows shell (you can try http://www.astonshell.com/) ! What seals the deal for me is that Macs are unreasonably marked up. Higher end PCs are faster and cheaper than what Macs propose. ex: I'll choose what I find is not in excess of an expensive computer (IE: you don't need 750gigs x 4 HDs, you don't need 16 gigs of ram - seriously, you don't) From Apple's website: Mac Pro Part Number: Z0D8 Bluetooth 2.0+EDR module Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse - U.S. English (free) One 16x SuperDrive Accessory kit Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s 4GB (4 x 1GB) Mac OS X - U.S. English Mac Pro RAID Card ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB (2 x dual-link DVI) $6,272.00 no monitor b/c I'm not 100% sure if apples are forced to use apple LCDs (if they are, apple loses) Dell IntelÂ[​IMG] Core™2 Extreme QX6850 (8MB,3.33GHz Factory overclocked)\t Genuine WindowsÂ[​IMG] XP Media Center 2005 Edition with re-installation CD\t 4GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 SDRAM 800MHz OC'd to 1066MHz-4 DIMMs 750GB - Seagate 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache\t Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability\t 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2007WFP Widescreen Digital Flat Panel\t 768MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX\t Sound BlasterÂ[​IMG] X-Fi™ XtremeMusic (D) Sound Card\t Dell USB Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard\t Razer Copperhead Tempest Blue Gaming Mouse (ships separately)\t No Floppy Drive or Media Reader Included\t No Modem Requested\t $4,739 the Dell comes with a monitor.. and I could build it cheaper myself with ncix (the 8800 >> ATI card x1950 which > x1900) http://review.zdnet.com/graphics-car...-32143069.html
     

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