Sneakers With Tailoring: Yes, No, Maybe?

[AgentGary]

95% seems low to be honest

Yea more like 99.99%
Don't know anyone around me (NYC) that dress well, other than the Armoury crew, J. Mueser group and a few.

 

[TheChihuahua]

Yea more like 99.99%
Don't know anyone around me (NYC) that dress well, other than the Armoury crew, J. Mueser group and a few.

these guys are who I look toward for inspiration. They really display that they are not new to clothes.

anything besides these looks and I view the wearer to be new to clothes and unable to make coherent and informed decisions.

 

[clee1982]

Yea more like 99.99%
Don't know anyone around me (NYC) that dress well, other than the Armoury crew, J. Mueser group and a few.

speaking of retail that dress well
haven’t step in BG for ages, 2nd floor guys used to dress well if not strict ish to rule, same with Paul Stuart tailoring floor guys (at least some of them)

RL were mostly too “uniform” to f it up

 

[AgentGary]

these guys are who I look toward for inspiration. They really display that they are not new to clothes.

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anything besides these looks and I view the wearer to be new to clothes and unable to make coherent and informed decisions.

Picture 1, it's Asian trend, looks coherent.
Picture 2, idk who that is, also he didn't cut the tag off the cuff?
Picture 3, Mossrocks, great guy.
Picture 4, idk who that is, wearing S&M probably not that advanced.
Picture 5, idk who that is, celebrities get dressed by their stylists anyway.

 

[TheChihuahua]

Picture 1, it's Asian trend, looks coherent.
Picture 2, idk who that is, also he didn't cut the tag off the cuff?
Picture 3, Mossrocks, great guy.
Picture 4, idk who that is, wearing S&M probably not that advanced.
Picture 5, idk who that is, celebrities get dressed by their stylists anyway.

these are all very very informed wearers of clothes.

 

[thatboyo]

Pic2 is Bieber in FoG. Never handled their suiting in person but it may not be possible to remove it since it's not the usual tag from more CM makers.

 

[AgentGary]

Pic2 is Bieber in FoG. Never handled their suiting in person but it may not be possible to remove it since it's not the usual tag from more CM makers.

Thanks for info ?

 

[acapaca]

DWW generally tells people not to wear oxfords when they aren't wearing a suit because 95% of the guys don't know what the **** they are doing. How many guys in actual reality dress as well as Kamoshita or Andrea Sweinas?

I don't know, man. I heard a lot about language and coherence and historical norms and stuff. Is it now meant to be understood that both meaning and history change according to the person who is speaking? Like, people who dress well exist in a different universe, where things were worn differently in the Golden Age? Or maybe for them there was no Golden Age in the past, and they're actually creating it now. (Interesting theory...and about as sensical as any other explanation.)

What I want to hear is what those people are actually thinking when they use care and thoughtfulness to make nuanced exceptions. Like, what makes oxfords okay with some outfits but not others, to them. I'd like to hear someone walk us through that, from a good dresser's point of view. How else will the 95% ever figure out what the **** they're doing?

Or...maybe the guy selling the 'rule' also doesn't know what they are doing, and thus can't explain it any other way?

 

[yorkshire pud]

What's the historical context of wearing sneakers with a suit??

Phil Collins has got a lot to answer for ?

 

[AgentGary]

I don't know, man. I heard a lot about language and coherence and historical norms and stuff. Is it now meant to be understood that both meaning and history change according to the person who is speaking? Like, people who dress well exist in a different universe, where things were worn differently in the Golden Age? Or maybe for them there was no Golden Age in the past, and they're actually creating it now. (Interesting theory...and about as sensical as any other explanation.)

What I want to hear is what those people are actually thinking when they use care and thoughtfulness to make nuanced exceptions. Like, what makes oxfords okay with some outfits but not others, to them. I'd like to hear someone walk us through that, from a good dresser's point of view. How else will the 95% ever figure out what the **** they're doing?

Or...maybe the guy selling the 'rule' also doesn't know what they are doing, and thus can't explain it any other way?

There isn't that much thought when dressing at a higher level. Effortless = elegance. Thinking too much = try hard.
You can listen to Mark Cho explain his train of thought, or ask him when he live streams on YouTube again.

 

[TheChihuahua]

I don't know, man. I heard a lot about language and coherence and historical norms and stuff. Is it now meant to be understood that both meaning and history change according to the person who is speaking? Like, people who dress well exist in a different universe, where things were worn differently in the Golden Age? Or maybe for them there was no Golden Age in the past, and they're actually creating it now. (Interesting theory...and about as sensical as any other explanation.)

What I want to hear is what those people are actually thinking when they use care and thoughtfulness to make nuanced exceptions. Like, what makes oxfords okay with some outfits but not others, to them. I'd like to hear someone walk us through that, from a good dresser's point of view. How else will the 95% ever figure out what the **** they're doing?

Or...maybe the guy selling the 'rule' also doesn't know what they are doing, and thus can't explain it any other way?

What I respect most about agent Gary is that he just joined this board 4 weeks ago but is already completely up to date on the DWW lexicon and talking points.

instant fan I guess.

 

[yorkshire pud]

I don't know, man. I heard a lot about language and coherence and historical norms and stuff. Is it now meant to be understood that both meaning and history change according to the person who is speaking? Like, people who dress well exist in a different universe, where things were worn differently in the Golden Age? Or maybe for them there was no Golden Age in the past, and they're actually creating it now. (Interesting theory...and about as sensical as any other explanation.)

What I want to hear is what those people are actually thinking when they use care and thoughtfulness to make nuanced exceptions. Like, what makes oxfords okay with some outfits but not others, to them. I'd like to hear someone walk us through that, from a good dresser's point of view. How else will the 95% ever figure out what the **** they're doing?

Or...maybe the guy selling the 'rule' also doesn't know what they are doing, and thus can't explain it any other way?

I actually looked it up in an old British Book, no such rule exists!!!!

I have come to the conclusion that SF is really a reaction against "style blogs" and stupid YouTube channels, here at SF you can see cool outfits that real people with real jobs actually wear!!!

Sure there are a few "Billy Bullshitters" trying to flog you a dead horse with their "endless links/rules and regulations" but the reality is if they were any good they would either be tailors or designers and not wannabe celebrities!!!

 

[acapaca]

There isn't that much thought when dressing at a higher level. Effortless = elegance. Thinking too much = try hard.
You can listen to Mark Cho explain his train of thought, or ask him when he live streams on YouTube again.

I love all the ways we have to torture the argument just to beat one ounce of sense out of it. Study the past, look at pictures, learn what connotations things have, do your homework, enrich your vocabulary...unless you really want to get good, in which case ignore it all.

I mean, we now seem to be at the point where we're saying not to pay attention to how good dressers dress. That, my friend, is the strategy of a loser. Call it playing it safe or whatever else you like...but it's the self-defeating strategy of a loser.

I have no doubt that Mark Cho would never wear oxfords with a sportcoat. (He strikes me as much more at home in loafers at any rate, so I doubt he'd even be tempted.) So I wouldn't be interested in his own thought process. Rather, I'd be interested in hearing him explain why it doesn't seem to bother other people.

 

[dieworkwear]

I love all the ways we have to torture the argument just to beat one ounce of sense out of it. Study the past, look at pictures, learn what connotations things have, do your homework, enrich your vocabulary...unless you really want to get good, in which case ignore it all.

I mean, we now seem to be at the point where we're saying not to pay attention to how good dressers dress. That, my friend, is the strategy of a loser. Call it playing it safe or whatever else you like...but it's the self-defeating strategy of a loser.

I have no doubt that Mark Cho would never wear oxfords with a sportcoat. (He strikes me as much more at home in loafers at any rate, so I doubt he'd even be tempted.) So I wouldn't be interested in his own thought process. Rather, I'd be interested in hearing him explain why it doesn't seem to bother other people.

Here's the simple version. Don't buy clown shoes:

Don't dress like an Allen Edmonds ad:

Instead, go back to the basics. Take inspiration from this era of dress

Learn about the history of classic men's dress, the use of cloth and details, and how to dress in a more tasteful manner. Like this:

That may also, in some cases, include wearing oxfords with sport coats. But doing so successfully requires some knowledge. Many men who are just starting off do not look like Bruce below. Instead, they look more like the Allen Edmonds photos above.

 

[TheChihuahua]

We should all dress like this guy…

this is the uniform:

and if you aren’t going to dress like this guy, then this is the alternative: