So it's been forever since I've broken in near-raw denim. I bought these to give it another go, but the rise and seat are too low for me and it's literally ball crushing. I can wear them and maybe it gets better with time but I'm not sure I am masochistic enough to find out. Worn less than 5 times, almost like new. Soaked once (no detergent) - no effect on denim [I was hoping they'd stretch]. High quality denim from RRL. The denim feels really rugged and bulletproof. These are the ones: http://www.ralphlauren.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11750065 Retailing for $300 plus tax! Asking $157 $120 $100 shipped CONUS. These need to go! Now on eBay. Buy it here to same us both the hassle! http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/201477764247? Measurements BiG style: Waist aligned 15.25" Front rise 8.5" Back rise 13" Upper thigh 11" Hem 7" Inseam 32"