how to save a reputation

[Nil]

Originally Posted by Constantin

I'm the one trying to look out for our future reputation for the conferences and biz dev work i have to do later will be a million times harder if we're a bunch of shady Chinese 2nd rate attorneys.

But it already appears you are a bunch of shady Chinese 2nd rate attorneys. Enjoy the long hours.

 

[Usul]

Originally Posted by harvey_birdman

Off topic, but I have to admit I got a little scared reading about Chinese Law Firms. I have this horrible image in my head of people outsourcing legal work to the third world, just like we do with everything else. I got into this stupid field because I had hoped to be able to make a living, but I don't see how I could compete with low-price, low-quality Chinese junk.

Originally Posted by Nil

But it already appears you are a bunch of shady Chinese 2nd rate attorneys. Enjoy the long hours.

Ah, this is the thread where I find shady Chinese attorneys to outsource my legal work to.

 

[Constantin]

the hours aren't so bad (45 a week). I'm not a lawyer...I'm in biz dev and marketing for the firm. You guys are all correct in saying its second rate...they have Chinese professional standards and my job is to raise them up to International business standards....clearly a difficult proposition as evidenced by this thread.

Instead of hating on their lack of professionalism though, some legit criticism and advice would be more beneficial. Things are different here, and while they know it's not GOOD to do this kind of stuff they just see it as "business"--if you get caught being shady...**** them there are 100's of other firms. They just don't understand that those hundreds of firms actually talk to each other.

We don't do outsourced work. We do IP work that Western firms are not permitted to do. It's second rate only in that we're not meeting Western business standards but we've grown to 70 full-time staff in 4 years. Clearly someone values our services.

If the general consensus is to leave then fine. There's a clear desire from this firm and the previous firm I worked at to raise the level of professionalism, but they honestly just don't get it.

 

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Constantin

Instead of hating on their lack of professionalism though, some legit criticism and advice would be more beneficial.
Cop to it, apologize and move on.

 

[Nereis]

One act can destroy a reputation. Confess that it was someone higher up in the firm and that you're doing all you can to change it. Your honesty will stop them from roasting your ass in emails to competing firms.

 

[celery]

Rent a white guy to convince the other firm that it's actually their own fault, and they'll have to believe him cause he's white.

Hell, rent two white guys, have them pretend to be from the CIA and that they had requested your firm deliver those pricing schedules to them.

Boom, white guys fix everything.

 

[blackjack]

Originally Posted by celery

Rent a white guy to convince the other firm that it's actually their own fault, and they'll have to believe him cause he's white.

Hell, rent two white guys, have them pretend to be from the CIA and that they had requested your firm deliver those pricing schedules to them.

Boom, white guys fix everything.

As true as it was back in 1899 it seems...

The White Man's Burden by Rudyard Kipling

Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloke your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the White Man's burden--
Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!

 

[Nereis]

Originally Posted by blackjack

As true as it was back in 1899 it seems...

It's more like the sea turtles' burden back in the motherland.

 

[Constantin]

guess it seems like we gotta cop to it...

any suggestions on how to instill western business standards in a place like this? we're not going to be able to attracted major amounts of casework until we majorly step up our game. When i first came in I wanted to change the name DESPERATELY (i won't say what it is, but it made me think of bed bath and beyond). My working there was semi-contingent on that, and after letting me work on it for a while and coming up they'd rather stick to bathmats and comforters.

so frustrating...because i see the potential for them to blow up (already have some of the biggest clients in china) but this is a huge block for us.

sidenote: I'm whiter than wonderbread and the mayflower combined

 

[mack11211]

Originally Posted by celery

Rent a white guy to convince the other firm that it's actually their own fault, and they'll have to believe him cause he's white.

Hell, rent two white guys, have them pretend to be from the CIA and that they had requested your firm deliver those pricing schedules to them.

Boom, white guys fix everything.

In Beijing lately they are quite rentable.

 

[riverrun]

Originally Posted by Usul

Ah, this is the thread where I find shady Chinese attorneys to outsource my legal work to.

 

[alliswell]

Read Poorly Made in China. If you still want to work there, have your bosses read it. This is how China will be perceived in the future. I no longer buy store brand anything, and I'm reluctant to buy anything that's made in China.

 

[slycedbred]

Originally Posted by harvey_birdman

Off topic, but I have to admit I got a little scared reading about Chinese Law Firms. I have this horrible image in my head of people outsourcing legal work to the third world, just like we do with everything else. I got into this stupid field because I had hoped to be able to make a living, but I don't see how I could compete with low-price, low-quality Chinese junk.

as opposed to high-price, low-quality american junk, right. your logic is ultra failz/lulz

 

[Usul]

Originally Posted by riverrun

I would send all of my legal work to this beautiful man.

 

[ektaylor]

Originally Posted by Usul

I would send all of my legal work to this beautiful man.

He has the skin of a 12 year old.