Fused suits and Bubbling

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by FidelCashflow, Jan 30, 2008.

  1. SoCal2NYC

    SoCal2NYC Fashion Hayzus

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    My first suit i bought was from Tokyo back in 94, it's a fused fashion suit, it's been worn a lot and cleaned more times than should been....no dreaded bubbling

    I think the evils of fusing get blown out of proportion around here


    On this site???

    Not possible.
     
  2. FashionMiami

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    I dont know cause I will not wear a fused suit. I believe that all clothing especially suits which as we all know cost alot of money should be sewn together not glued. The rest of our clothing is sewn together (sweaters, pants, boxers) so why should we be so cheap and buy a glued suit.
     
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    Is the problem over-exaggerated? Maybe.

    When it comes to fusing, you have to consider the way the garment will wear. A fused garment simply will not wear as well over time, or look as good on you, as a well made canvassed one. Canvas feels better because it moves with you. Fused garments are like donning a suit of armor - it's stiff, and it's a single, hard piece.

    That said, there are serious differences in fusing techniques. Better makers use better methods (as was said earlier, I think), and the raw components of the garment (i.e. fabric) are of a better quality to begin with.

    So sure, you can get a fused suit, and it can serve you very well, especially if cared for properly. But it's still a glued together garment.
     
  4. EL72

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    Is there any recourse for this? If you take it to a good tailor, can it be re-fused?

    Garbage or Goodwill.
     
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    Fusing did have its issues in its advent but today it is hard to tell if it is fused unless you try to separate the canvas from the shell. I experienced many times in the past the puckering and bubbling mentioned but have not seen that in years.
    Fusing does not create a Armour like feel. Quite the contrary. The softness of todays canvasing and fusing make for a very soft coat.

    Gary
     
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    Fusing did have its issues in its advent but today it is hard to tell if it is fused unless you try to separate the canvas from the shell. I experienced many times in the past the puckering and bubbling mentioned but have not seen that in years.
    Fusing does not create a Armour like feel. Quite the contrary. The softness of todays canvasing and fusing make for a very soft coat.

    Gary


    See -

    That said, there are serious differences in fusing techniques.

    And thus, with fused garments, what you put on at S&K feels like armor. What you put on at Bergdorf may not.
     
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    Drinkwaters Senior member

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    What, may I ask is S&K.
     
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    What, may I ask is S&K.
    Discounter. Think Mens Wearhouse, but cheaper.
     
  9. FidelCashflow

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    I dont know cause I will not wear a fused suit. I believe that all clothing especially suits which as we all know cost alot of money should be sewn together not glued. The rest of our clothing is sewn together (sweaters, pants, boxers) so why should we be so cheap and buy a glued suit.

    Shirt collars and cuffs are almost always fused.
     
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    I hear people talk about bubbling all the time (only on these forums.) Some people make it sound like an inevitable consequence of owning a fused suit, and it seems to be the number one reason to shell out more money for a canvassed suit. I've owned plenty of fused suits (mostly Valentino and Boss), and have never experienced or witnessed this phenomenon, but I try to take care of my suits and don't put them into heavy rotation because I don't wear suits that often. Is this problem primarily confined to outdated fusing methods? Is it more common in bargain basement suits that use cheaper fusing methods? Is it primarily due to dry cleaning at excessive heat or some kind of improper care? To me it's like spontaneous combustion, I've heard stories, but have never witnessed it first hand.
    Informative thread FC,...thanks.
     
  11. Ricardo Malocchio

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    Victim of bubbling here.

    There was the chance of showers in Boston yesterday, so I dug out one of my bad-weather suits, a 2-year old, rarely worn Joe Abboud "Signature Profile" super-120s. That chance of showers turned into a series of drenching squalls, but I managed to make it around with only the bottom of my pants legs wet and only a bit more moisture than I'd like getting past my umbrella and onto the front skirt part of the jacket. Those parts of the jacket were not soaked, or even noticeably damp. I hung it and left it out of the closet to dry.

    This morning... bubbling on the jacket skirt! Slight and only on certain scattered areas, but easily noticeable. I guess there's nothing to be done, and I don't even know if Goodwill would want it.
     
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    If it's going to rain, how about wearing a raincoat?

    I know it's been said many said many times, but if you have a fused suit, avoid drycleaning unless the suit is soiled. If you steam and/or press your suits at home, do not steam or press the front of the jacket. Only do the sleeves and back.

    No personal experience, but I've also heard that hot, humid climates can be hard on fused suits.

    Re: the look of fused suits: the very cheaply made fused suits will be fused 100% from top to bottom. Slightly better fused suits will have a fabric/canvas chest piece that will make them look better. This isn't the same thing as "half-canvassed". Half canvassed will have canvas in the lapels, whereas "fused with a chest piece" will not.
     
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    I hear people talk about bubbling all the time (only on these forums.) Some people make it sound like an inevitable consequence of owning a fused suit, and it seems to be the number one reason to shell out more money for a canvassed suit. I've owned plenty of fused suits (mostly Valentino and Boss), and have never experienced or witnessed this phenomenon, but I try to take care of my suits and don't put them into heavy rotation because I don't wear suits that often.

    Is this problem primarily confined to outdated fusing methods? Is it more common in bargain basement suits that use cheaper fusing methods? Is it primarily due to dry cleaning at excessive heat or some kind of improper care?

    To me it's like spontaneous combustion, I've heard stories, but have never witnessed it first hand.


    Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not widely reported. Just ask Peter James Bond or Mick Shrimpton.
     
  14. Ricardo Malocchio

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    If it's going to rain, how about wearing a raincoat?
    Had the weather report been more accurate, I certainly would have!

    What surprised me was how little moisture caused this. Like I said, to to describe the jacket skirt as "damp" overstates it.

    I just wanted to post my experience to disabuse anyone of the notion that "modern" fused suits somehow aren't susceptible to bubbling.
     
  15. Toorman

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    Can a fused suit bubble? Sure, it can happen. But, if it were a matter of routine, would the many brands that sell fused suits be able to stay in business? Would reputable department stores like Macy's, Nordstrom's, Bloomingdale's, Saks and Barney's sell fused suits knowing they would have to refund customers' money if their new suit were hit by a dollop of water or sent in for a dry cleaning and ruined? If they were that delicate they would need to attach a warning label saying they weren't responsible for damage do to dry cleaning or acts of God. Do I prefer canvassed suits - yes. Have I purchased half canvassed suits because I love the particular fit and fabric - without hesitation and I save money in the process. A good suit wardrobe has room for both.
     

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