Veal

[Fuuma]

Originally Posted by Nosu3

Again, I know animals were once needed for survival, but that does not justify the continuation of animal slaughter.

Plants are needed to survive. Veganism is not "don't kill anything that lives", not all life forms are equivalent. I don't know the logic of what you mentioned either, but I'm not a vegan. What I do know is that humans, as a mammalian animal species, cannot say that it is unacceptable to kill someone but acceptable to kill any other animal species. That is illogical.

1) Sure they can say it
2) A reliance on logic is irrational. In fact we'd have trouble agreeing on what, exactly, is logical.

 

[SField]

Originally Posted by Nosu3

Again, I know animals were once needed for survival, but that does not justify the continuation of animal slaughter.

Plants are needed to survive. Veganism is not "don't kill anything that lives", not all life forms are equivalent. I don't know the logic of what you mentioned either, but I'm not a vegan. What I do know is that humans, as a mammalian animal species, cannot say that it is unacceptable to kill someone but acceptable to kill any other animal species. That is illogical.

I have not yet read a valid argument on this topic by anyone who eats meat. I cannot really think of a way to justify the eating of meat, in today's world with as many food options as there are. All that could be said is that it is naturally a part of the food chain. Humans evolved into meat eaters. We also know that at this point, one does not really need to eat meat. It is certainly quite the moral question to be sure.

Unfortunately for a variety of animals, I ******* love eating them. If reincarnation exists, then I will probably return as a veal calf or a Berkshire pig, and I'll be happy to know that when my time comes, I'll be dispatched of fairly quickly, and I can then look forward to being a meat eating human in one of my next lives again.

 

[Working Stiff]

I have a hard time getting sweetbreads where I live now, but I love them. I think they are the most relaxing of all foods - whenever I am stressed, I crave their smooth, mild taste. Perfect comfort food.

 

[Douglas]

It is wrong to kill most humans, but it is ok to kill vegetarians.

 

[bBoy JEe]

What justification do we need outside of eating meat is delicious.

Aside from that... if you're seriously asking about why we can say that it's not okay to kill humans, but it is okay to kill other mammalian species, then eating one's own species = cannibalism, which is not good for a variety of reasons ranging from preservation of species to moral reasons, whereas eating another species = just fine within the same realm of reasons.

 

[Nosu3]

Originally Posted by SField

I have not yet read a valid argument on this topic by anyone who eats meat. I cannot really think of a way to justify the eating of meat, in today's world with as many food options as there are. All that could be said is that it is naturally a part of the food chain. Humans evolved into meat eaters. We also know that at this point, one does not really need to eat meat. It is certainly quite the moral question to be sure.

Unfortunately for a variety of animals, I ******* love eating them. If reincarnation exists, then I will probably return as a veal calf or a Berkshire pig, and I'll be happy to know that when my time comes, I'll be dispatched of fairly quickly, and I can then look forward to being a meat eating human in one of my next lives again.

This position is more respectable.

Originally Posted by bBoy JEe

What justification do we need outside of eating meat is delicious.

Aside from that... if you're seriously asking about why we can say that it's not okay to kill humans, but it is okay to kill other mammalian species, then eating one's own species = cannibalism, which is not good for a variety of reasons ranging from preservation of species to moral reasons, whereas eating another species = just fine within the same realm of reasons.
...and if humans were delicious?

With a 7 billion strong population, preservation shouldn't be an issue. What moral reasons would there be as to why it is wrong?

 

[bBoy JEe]

It's pretty clear in Christian morality.

 

[SField]

Originally Posted by bBoy JEe

It's pretty clear in Christian morality.

Could you illuminate that for us? I'm genuinely curious.

Nosu; I think the only way one could respectably eat meat from a quasi-moral standpoint is to not try to moralize it. All we can really do is hide under the shelter of evolution and tradition, which at least provides a fairly strong precedent of meat eating.

 

[coonky]

Originally Posted by SField

Nosu; I think the only way one could respectably eat meat from a quasi-moral standpoint is to not try to moralize it. All we can really do is hide under the shelter of evolution and tradition, which at least provides a fairly strong precedent of meat eating.

According to some, it is possible to ethically eat meat if you treat the animal well, give it good living conditions, and kill it quickly and (relatively) painlessly. Of course, this does not apply to veal because veal cows live their short lives cramped in a wooden crate, nevermind the gruesome ways they are killed. There's a great book about this by Jonathan Safran Foer called <u>Eating Animals</u>.

Personally, I don't think it's possible to ethically raise animals for their products. Anyway, with modern advances in nutrition science and the wide variety of delicious meat and dairy alternatives, it's really easy to avoid animal products altogether. Being vegan is easier than you think. Give peas a chance.

 

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by coonky

According to some, it is possible to ethically eat meat if you treat the animal well, give it good living conditions, and kill it quickly and (relatively) painlessly. Of course, this does not apply to veal because veal cows live their short lives cramped in a wooden crate, nevermind the gruesome ways they are killed. There's a great book about this by Jonathan Safran Foer called <u>Eating Animals</u>. Personally, I don't think it's possible to ethically raise animals for their products. Anyway, with modern advances in nutrition science and the wide variety of delicious meat and dairy alternatives, it's really easy to avoid animal products altogether. Being vegan is easier than you think. Give peas a chance.
A lot of things are easy now that we have new technologies. Most of them don't sound like a lot of fun, and veganism is at the top of the list. I will be making blanquette tomorrow night.

 

[gdl203]

Originally Posted by iammatt

I will be making blanquette tomorrow night.

 

[gomestar]

Originally Posted by coonky

Being vegan is easier than you think. Give peas a chance.

A particular person (who I cannot choose to extract from my life) became a vegan for a number of years. It was an awful experience to listen to her whine about the lack of vegan options whever we went out to eat, and to then sulk in her chair when the restaurant wouldn't prepare the food she decided to bring instead. She didn't berate us for ordering meat, thank god, but the situation still sucked. She has started to eat some animal products again due to health reasons resulting from a vegan diet.

I do love peas, however.

 

[foodguy]

when my daughter was in high school, she converted to vegetarianism quite regularly -- always beginning the week before thanksgiving and giving up just before new year's.

 

[gomestar]

moar turkey sandwiches for you.

 

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by foodguy

when my daughter was in high school, she converted to vegetarianism quite regularly -- always beginning the week before thanksgiving and giving up just before new year's.
Yuck. I really dislike turkey. One of the very few things I don't ever crave.