The Official Wine Thread

[Piobaire]

Gome, that one I tried from you was good. It was nicely fruited. I just felt for the money that I could do better with complexity from CA. That number also includes several wines I've had in restaurants, some chosen by folks with very extensive experience with Burg.

This actually also makes me realize I've been pretty slack about reporting and pics. I'm not saying I'm going to improve, just makes me realize.

 

[coolpapa]

Originally Posted by gomestar

does Burg even get warm enough to produce the ripeness like Cali?

Good question, probably not, but I wouldn't think Bordeaux would either, yet there are some oak/fruit/alcohol bombs being made there. Relatively speaking of course. I think there are now enough interventionist techniques to make up for the climate, or lack thereof.

 

[itsstillmatt]

The Robert-Denogent are really good wines. I've gone through a case and a half of the 2004 Terrebrune. Excellent stuff. Different style from Tempier, but great.

 

[Slewfoot]

Originally Posted by gomestar

does Burg even get warm enough to produce the ripeness like Cali?

Not at this point, but a lot of old-school style Burgundy producers feel that in the upcoming decades that may be the case. They joked - but with a slight touch of sincerity - that a few generations from now will be planting Syrah in Burgundy.

 

[tattersall]

Originally Posted by coolpapaboze

Your comment got me thinking about something. You seem to love pinot made in a richer style and I was wondering if anyone knows of a producer of red wines in Burgundy that produces wines in a more fruit forward, new world style? Just about all the "old world" wine regions have at least a few producers that make wines in a more new world style: Bordeaux, the Rhone valley, Italy, Alsace, Southern France, etc, but I can't think of any red Burg producers, pinot, or gamay, that do this. Anyone?

The only new-world style in Burgundy that I know of are the Dominique Laurent 200% oak-bombs. Not fruit-forward but overwhelming exposure to new oak (sometimes twice) brings it more in line with what many identify as new-world (although the best examples never do this...).

Originally Posted by iammatt

The Robert-Denogent are really good wines. I've gone through a case and a half of the 2004 Terrebrune. Excellent stuff. Different style from Tempier, but great.

There's not much of the 04 left - make sure you're stocked up!

 

[gomestar]

Originally Posted by coolpapaboze

Good question, probably not, but I wouldn't think Bordeaux would either, yet there are some oak/fruit/alcohol bombs being made there. Relatively speaking of course. I think there are now enough interventionist techniques to make up for the climate, or lack thereof.

I wonder if this has something to do with the growing season and weather. Since pinot is so fickle, the fall rains and cold may simply prevent the over ripening and the grapes just die, while in Bordeaux the heartier grapes and coastal clement makes it easier. Perhaps it's the same in Italy where, IMO, it's much easier to find a fruity Tuscan coast wine than it is from a Barbaresco or Barolo in Piedmont.

I am just guessing, of course, and could be completely wrong on all fronts.

 

[gomestar]

Originally Posted by Slewfoot

Not at this point, but a lot of old-school style Burgundy producers feel that in the upcoming decades that may be the case. They joked - but with a slight touch of sincerity - that a few generations from now will be planting Syrah in Burgundy.

speaking of syrah, what was that one producer your friend let us try? Unbelievable.

 

[Slewfoot]

Originally Posted by gomestar

speaking of syrah, what was that one producer your friend let us try? Unbelievable.
Gentaz-Dervieux. The best of the best! Glad you liked it.

 

[tattersall]

Originally Posted by Slewfoot

Gentaz-Dervieux. The best of the best! Glad you liked it.

Do the Rene Rostaing compare to Gentaz?

 

[Slewfoot]

Originally Posted by tattersall

Do the Rene Rostaing compare to Gentaz?

Unfortunately not. Rostaing was Gentaz's nephew and inherited his vines, but tore them up as he wanted to carve out his own path in the wine world. That path has not led to anywhere special however and nowadays apparently Rostaing appreciates the wines of his Uncle more so than he used to. The wines of Gentaz are never to be seen again as he used what some call the "real Syrah" known as Petite Serine which yielded small, concentrated berries from very old vines. Such a shame.

 

[coolpapa]

Originally Posted by Slewfoot

Gentaz-Dervieux.

Ooh, good stuff. I've only had one, the 86 Reservee' Cote Brune a few years ago, and it was one of the best northern Rhone's I've had. Thanks for the history, very interesting.

 

[tattersall]

Originally Posted by Slewfoot

Unfortunately not. Rostaing was Gentaz's nephew and inherited his vines, but tore them up as he wanted to carve out his own path in the wine world. That path has not led to anywhere special however and nowadays apparently Rostaing appreciates the wines of his Uncle more so than he used to. The wines of Gentaz are never to be seen again as he used what some call the "real Syrah" known as Petite Serine which yielded small, concentrated berries from very old vines. Such a shame.

Thank you for this - it's sometimes difficult to separate the hype from the reality - from your sig. you clearly know of what you speak. I've not had much luck finding a Rotie from a current producer that really speaks to me - Guigal, despite the various vineyards all seem so similar and one-dimensionally oaky. I feel I do better with Chave and Clape further to the south for something more authentic and interesting.

 

[kwilkinson]

This thread is making me a jealous little jewel today. Lots of good talk.

Big wine occasion for me: got invited to my first ever Kermit Lynch industry portfolio tasting. Whaaaaaat!

 

[coolpapa]

Originally Posted by kwilkinson

This thread is making me a jealous little jewel today. Lots of good talk. Big wine occasion for me: got invited to my first ever Kermit Lynch industry portfolio tasting. Whaaaaaat!
That should be awesome, enjoy, and please let us know what you taste that's notable.

 

[tattersall]

Originally Posted by kwilkinson

This thread is making me a jealous little jewel today. Lots of good talk.

Big wine occasion for me: got invited to my first ever Kermit Lynch industry portfolio tasting. Whaaaaaat!

Hope you get to try the Pulignys from Domaine de Cherisey - they are just incredible.