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When do hats get too large objectively, then? Your argument radiates a belief no hat is too large. I don't believe top hats are too large. You get different heights of top hat, too, and it would be suggestible to a smaller person, to wear a shorter top hat. It has nothing to do with society favouring shorter hats right now. It is always fundamentally about proportion, beauty and balance. I understand why you wouldn't want to go over this argument again and again, as you just like that oversized aesthetic, and that's OK on a subjective level, but I'll always stand by the objective proportion argument. I, also, gather you believe I am just plain wrong about it being oversized. Let's agree to disagree.
 
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When do hats get too large objectively, then? Your argument radiates a belief no hat is too large. I don't believe top hats are too large. You get different heights of top hat, too, and it would be suggestible to a smaller person, to wear a shorter top hat. It has nothing to do with society favouring shorter hats right now. It is always fundamentally about proportion, beauty and balance. I understand why you wouldn't want to go over this argument again and again, as you just like that oversized aesthetic, and that's OK on a subjective level, but I'll always stand by the objective proportion argument. I, also, gather you believe I am just plain wrong about it being oversized. Let's agree to disagree.
That looks like a mushroom. Horses for courses, I suppose....
 

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When do hats get too large objectively, then? Your argument radiates a belief no hat is too large. I don't believe top hats are too large. You get different heights of top hat, too, and it would be suggestible to a smaller person, to wear a shorter top hat. It has nothing to do with society favouring shorter hats right now. It is always fundamentally about proportion, beauty and balance.

You do know that that is not true, right? Values like proportion and balance are very much culturally and historically variable. Look at what were considered beautifully proportioned women a few centuries ago:

 

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When do hats get too large objectively, then? Your argument radiates a belief no hat is too large. I don't believe top hats are too large. You get different heights of top hat, too, and it would be suggestible to a smaller person, to wear a shorter top hat. It has nothing to do with society favouring shorter hats right now. It is always fundamentally about proportion, beauty and balance. I understand why you wouldn't want to go over this argument again and again, as you just like that oversized aesthetic, and that's OK on a subjective level, but I'll always stand by the objective proportion argument. I, also, gather you believe I am just plain wrong about it being oversized. Let's agree to disagree.
In regards to top hats, historically many times the opposite of what you said was true. Often the shortest men wore the tallest top hats, which was the whole point of a top hat.
 
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Yes, proportions and harmony are highly cultural and indictive of a time period.
 
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When do hats get too large objectively, then? Your argument radiates a belief no hat is too large. I don't believe top hats are too large. You get different heights of top hat, too, and it would be suggestible to a smaller person, to wear a shorter top hat. It has nothing to do with society favouring shorter hats right now. It is always fundamentally about proportion, beauty and balance. I understand why you wouldn't want to go over this argument again and again, as you just like that oversized aesthetic, and that's OK on a subjective level, but I'll always stand by the objective proportion argument. I, also, gather you believe I am just plain wrong about it being oversized. Let's agree to disagree.

That reminds me of the good old C64 days:

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Tibor's hat looks great to me. I like that crown crease and favor wider brimmed fedoras.
There are no rules to this and one's perspective determines your impression.

I wear fedoras and also wear western hats almost daily. My perspective is hat brims should be large and shield the sun well. Wider brim style looks best to most with a larger crown. This is the proportion part. Crown with little or no taper is a personal preference but I fall into the group that thinks a face shape with little taper to the jaw looks best with a hat crown that has little taper so the crown and blocky face shape balance each other.
If your opinion tends towards understated hats then you will think wider brims and fuller crowns to be overpowering.

I see things on here accepted as good style that to me look out of place or wrong every day. The main one being four in hand crooked tie knots on other wise impeccable so very well presented coats and shirts. I accept that it is a difference of opinion and is likely the look the wearer desires. I am too slanted to symmetry and prefer knots that center the blade of the tie within the lapels.
 

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It has a lot less to do with a specific kind of hat that frames one kind of face. There are many different effects each block & flange # gives to a style of a hat. Proper Hattery due to its rarity has become an incredibly arcane and esoteric subject. Many people on a variety of fashion related forums have a very limited understanding of hats that lends an attraction to the generic factory blocks. With the fullest blocks many people are use to seeing is a #52. The wide array of fuller straighter blocks (such as a #81 block, and going well up into the #100's) and the level of formality those fuller blocks rightfully uphold on countless facial structures can be lost to many who do not understand hattery or are unfamiliar with the variety of different asthetics relating to fedoras, especially outside of their limited styles that they are used to seeing. While Japanalex01 was polite and kind, what he said was "objective" was a statement that was an expression of his own subjectivity and holds no greater truth other than that being his own personal opinion. The more one understands the countless styles of blocks, flanges, creating a wide arrays of asthetics relating to each one, the more studied and well preportioned this particular hat will look on me.


welp. i guess ill just have to be subjective. While i love your fits, and always have...ive always thought your hats dwarf your face and make your head look as ling as your torso.

not to be a dick, but just because something follows rules doesnt mean it looks good.
 

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