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Just bought a new m3, picking it up today.
Good choice, young man.
- B
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Just bought a new m3, picking it up today.
IMHO, the E39 M5 was the probably closest to the most perfect sports sedan ever made.
Good choice, young man. - B
+1 The M5, even the current version, is pretty capable: I've been on the Ring Taxi ride around the Nurburgring with Sabine Schmitz driving an E60, and that car was like putty in her hands. We were pretty much drifting sideways through every corner (on purpose, as we'd asked for a fun ride), especially if there was an audience. What I worry about is that the next M5 is supposed to have a blown engine, and with all the limp-mode issues of the current turbos, I'm not sure how well it will hold up in hard driving. --Andre
What issues?
The oil gets too hot probably because the oil coolers are too small, and the engine goes into a low-power mode to save itself. People have measured oil temps at nearly 300F after track driving, and at least 1 3rd party tuner has a larger oil cooler that helps solve this issue. The M versions of the BMW SUVs have blown V8s, and come with much larger oil coolers, but no reports from the racetrack yet. I assume the new blown M engines will be similar. --Andre
If you want something for the track, given the price you pay for a BMW sedan or coupe, and the weight penalties you take on for various luxury features, I imagine there are many better options out there (why not get a true sports car?).
Hmm. Does this apply only to the twin-turbocharged engines or also the twin-scroll single-turborcharged ones?
I agree somewhat: until recently, their strength has been a unique balance of luxury, practicality, and sportiness, but, except for the M1 and the E30 M3, I don't think of them as track stars. They may not be the fastest track cars out there, but they shouldn't go into limp mode in 3 laps on a cool day. They should be capable and competent on the track like their predecessors. I think they've lost their way.For what it's worth, I have always viewed BMWs as excellent road cars, not track stars.
god this is like reading rf in 2002 all over again
The oil gets too hot probably because the oil coolers are too small, and the engine goes into a low-power mode to save itself. People have measured oil temps at nearly 300F after track driving, and at least 1 3rd party tuner has a larger oil cooler that helps solve this issue. The M versions of the BMW SUVs have blown V8s, and come with much larger oil coolers, but no reports from the racetrack yet. I assume the new blown M engines will be similar. --Andre
Looked at some cars this weekend and talked to a couple of dealers.
... Also, the 328, with the NA version of the 3L I6, also does the limping thing. No idea what's going on there... --Andre
I saw it in person and looked nice but the hood lines are horrendous and the way it refracts light is even worse. There is no leatherette here they all come with leather I'm pretty sure....