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[Blackhood]



I very highly disagree.
You just can't compare a 200hp V6 to a 518hp Bi-Turbo V8 and say the AMG is no better. You just can't.

I mean baring any trim and equipment upgrades (I don't actually know what an AMG spec consists of outside of the performance upgrades).

I stand by the fact that climbing from 50mph to 70 mph 1.1 seconds (or what ever) faster makes such a small amount of difference in your daily life that forking over $60,000 extra to do it is more about "being able to" than anything else. I've personally never missed a set of lights because my 0-60 speed was only 6 seconds instead of 4. Maybe you have crazy fast lights where you live?

EDIT: I should make it clear that if I had the cash I'd buy an AMG/RS/M version of a saloon in a heartbeat, but it wouldn't be because I believed that each time I floored it it was worth $5,000 in cash. It would be because I want the best, no matter the cost.

 

[A Y]



Isn't that why the GTR is so damn heavy?

I don't know, but if I had to guess, it would be the AWD system and that car's sheer size that makes it so heavy. I doubt they added weight to make it handle better --- weight usually has the opposite effect.

 

[KurtS90]

Most of my short driving career has been in cars with 350-500 horse power. I had way more fun in a 50 horsepower car

 

[RFX45]



I don't know, but if I had to guess, it would be the AWD system and that car's sheer size that makes it so heavy. I doubt they added weight to make it handle better --- weight usually has the opposite effect.

I remember the designed comparing it to F1 cars, since the GTR can't achieve such speeds at corners that forces downforce for better grip on the tires, the GTR was meant to be heavy so that there are more tire contact to the ground, hence better grip. I'll see if I can find the vid/article.

 

[JuyLe]

To me that sound alone is worth a few grands


But if you start thinking about the point of expensive sports cars to go from A to B might as well buy a Diesel VW Passat Estate and forget about this whole debate (I'm slightly exaggerating but you get the point).

Edit: This sounds even better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c33wnxuxAKg&feature=relmfu

 

[Find Finn]



I dont know that much about Mercedes really, is it worth the money?

Every time TG has had a 63 amg on the program it has destroyed at least 1 set of tires, as it just wants to throw it's ass around, so I highly suspect that a 700hp version wont be any better.

It seems to be the consensus on here that MB interior are ****.

Regarding if the tuning and styling is worth it, no it's not you will never get your tuning styling money back and how useful is a carbon body?

If it was me I would get a standard one with designo seats, lower it, put some wheels on it and maybe a remap or a MB AMG package, job done. ADV1 has a nice white one on their website.

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[RFX45]



I mean baring any trim and equipment upgrades (I don't actually know what an AMG spec consists of outside of the performance upgrades).
I stand by the fact that climbing from 50mph to 70 mph 1.1 seconds (or what ever) faster makes such a small amount of difference in your daily life that forking over $60,000 extra to do it is more about "being able to" than anything else. I've personally never missed a set of lights because my 0-60 speed was only 6 seconds instead of 4. Maybe you have crazy fast lights where you live?

EDIT: I should make it clear that if I had the cash I'd buy an AMG/RS/M version of a saloon in a heartbeat, but it wouldn't be because I believed that each time I floored it it was worth $5,000 in cash. It would be because I want the best, no matter the cost.

I agree that most people look at power and speed that they are not able to use in the streets (legally anyways) but there is some sense and feeling in hearing a turbo V8 or a carving up a corner as fast as precise as you can. It isn't all about the straight line, you aren't going to race people on the street every time a red light turns green. It's hard to explain but the driving experience is just different, having that much power on your feet is unique. The engineering and all the work that comes with it. I am not talking about overtaking other cars or beating that light before it turns red, that isn't what these cars are about.


It's like buying a Patek, sure a $30 Timex quartz will keep a more accurate time but a Patek is a handcrafted work of art and you buy not simply because it keeps time. No doubt there's some prestige that is attached to these names and is a way of saying "I have arrived" but to some it is simply more than that.

 

[JuyLe]

From what I have seen/read it is fun on the track but yes you will need a friend working a Pirelli if you don't want to spend all your money on tires and it far from being the fastest cars in that price bracket laptime wise. But the noise.

 

[Find Finn]



but there is some sense and feeling in hearing a turbo V8 .

have you ever heard a high HP V8, V10 or V12 crawling through small city streets.

There was a tuned C5 RS6 in Copenhagen a while back, which you could hear growl about 500m away.

 

[Sir F]

Well well I dont have a Mercedes but that one sure looks good anyways! Could drive it that's the main point

 

[RFX45]



have you ever heard a high HP V8, V10 or V12 crawling through small city streets.
There was a tuned C5 RS6 in Copenhagen a while back, which you could hear growl about 500m away.

It's orgasmic, even the V8 Vantage sounds pretty damn good.

And just to add to my earlier ranting (if you consider that as one), at the end of the day though, these are not reasonable cars. You don't purchase it just because it gets you from A to B a few seconds faster. If you want something that will just get you from one place to the other and maybe save a few bucks on gas, then these cars aren't made for you.

 

[Find Finn]

I don't think anyone who isn't really into cars will ever buy a AMG, M or RS car, as most people don't get them, unless you are a ballplayer etc. and you just go into the dealer ship and buys the most expensive thing they have.

When ever I stop and look at one or point one out, to someone who isn't in to cars, they just look at me like idiot and walk away.

 

[RFX45]



I don't think anyone who isn't really into cars will ever buy a AMG, M or RS car, as most people don't get them, unless you are a ballplayer etc. and you just go into the dealer ship and buys the most expensive thing they have.
When ever I stop and look at one or point one out, to someone who isn't in to cars, they just look at me like idiot and walk away.

Double negative is confusing. Are you saying most car enthusiast or non-car enthusiast?

 

[Find Finn]



Double negative is confusing. Are you saying most car enthusiast or non-car enthusiast?

Nope I'm saying only car enthusiast will buy a M, RS or AMG, as they seem pointless to everyone else.

 

[sonick]



Nope I'm saying only car enthusiast will buy a M, RS or AMG, as they seem pointless to everyone else.

Around my parts this is completely false.