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21 Shot dead at Virginia Tech

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by texas_jack, Apr 16, 2007.

  1. JetBlast

    JetBlast Well-Known Member

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    Wow, I just saw this on CNN. Terrible.
    Sometimes you just have to sit and think, if you aren't safe at a place of learning, like a college, where are you really safe? (rhetorical question, btw)

    JB
     
  2. Stazy

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    Getting an online degree looks pretty good right now...

    Seriously, how fucked up do you have to be to kill even 1 innocent person, never mind 25.
     
  3. JetBlast

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    Oh my god, CNN is now saying 31 dead.

    JB
     
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    Oh my god, CNN is now saying 31 dead.

    JB


    How did he get this far without anyone taking him down? Jeez.
     
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    How did he get this far without anyone taking him down? Jeez.
    I dunno. Likely most people would have been taken completely off-guard.
     
  6. Joel_Cairo

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    wait... the shooting was in 2 different buildings, but one gunman?
     
  7. Pennglock

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    The death-toll is likely to get much higher. I have a contact that's the head of the EMS department there. Here's the IM's he sent me on his way out the door...

    Him [1:52 PM]: I am on phone now with an ic that was there

    Him [1:52 PM]: He is saying they "black tagged" 31 on one floor alone so there will be probably close to 50 if not more DOA....

    Him [1:52 PM]: it is gonna be way worse than first reported
     
  8. zjpj83

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    I dunno. Likely most people would have been taken completely off-guard.

    But, he shot people earlier in the day at the dorm, right? Then, seemingly, nobody did anything and he was free to go around and kill more people. Shouldn't they have shut things down immediately until they figured out what had happened? I guess they had no way of telling whether the earlier shooting was an isolated incident or not. But jeez, when my kids are in college, I would hope that the institution would err on the side of caution and if students are shot in any way, cancel classes and tell everyone to go home at least for that day to figure out what's going on. That said, this psycho probably would have found some way to kill people regardless....
     
  9. JetBlast

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    Zjpj,
    They did lock down the classes, I think we should wait to see what the actual VT representatives have to say. Press conference at 4:30 according to CNN.

    JB
     
  10. TommyX4437

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    According to Fox news, the death toll is up to 32 now.
    [​IMG]
     
  11. zjpj83

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    Zjpj,
    They did lock down the classes, I think we should wait to see what the actual VT representatives have to say. Press conference at 4:30 according to CNN.

    JB

    ok, thanks
     
  12. JetBlast

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    In my email-
    Baltimore, Dulles, and Reagan airports will observe a moment of silence at 5pm this evening.

    JB
     
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    But, he shot people earlier in the day at the dorm, right? Then, seemingly, nobody did anything and he was free to go around and kill more people. Shouldn't they have shut things down immediately until they figured out what had happened? I guess they had no way of telling whether the earlier shooting was an isolated incident or not. But jeez, when my kids are in college, I would hope that the institution would err on the side of caution and if students are shot in any way, cancel classes and tell everyone to go home at least for that day to figure out what's going on. That said, this psycho probably would have found some way to kill people regardless....

    what you have is minimum wage security guys, and contact with local cops who aren't a whole hell of a lot better. so, what does the security guard do when he hears about the first shooting? nothing, it is totally outside of his realm of comprehension. in al probrability, the first time anybody competant to deal with this heard about it was after the whole thing was over.
     
  14. jett

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    yeah things don't make sense yet. from what I saw the first shooting in the dorm happened more than an hour before the second shooting. I saw a report that he had two 9mm handguns, but that doesn't really square with 50+ people shot or with 30+ of them dead.
     
  15. TommyX4437

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    yeah things don't make sense yet. from what I saw the first shooting in the dorm happened more than an hour before the second shooting. I saw a report that he had two 9mm handguns, but that doesn't really square with 50+ people shot or with 30+ of them dead.

    50+ people shot and 30+ dead with 2 semi-auto 9mm?
     
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    50+ people shot and 30+ dead with 2 semi-auto 9mm?

    I'm assuming he reloaded.
     
  17. JetBlast

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    Yea, something doesn't connect here. Either he's f*cking Rambo or he's a hell of a shot, not to mention he would have to be carrying a sh*tload of ammo.

    Either way I personally do not think that we need to be concentrating on the weapon he used, shouldn't we be concentrating on what is going on right now?

    BTW CNN says the gunman was acting alone.

    JB
     
  18. Tokyo Slim

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    Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone is suprised by this number. Anyone semi-competant with a firearm or determined to cause mass injuries/fatalities in a crowded co-ed environment where there is little security and people tend to congregate around loud noises...

    I'm constantly suprised at the relatively FEW fatalities in these situations.

    From a tactical standpoint anyways.
    I don't want to insinuate that this is any less of a tragedy.
     
  19. lawyerdad

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    The problem is that the technology exists. The cork has been pulled and the genie has escaped, so to speak. Since it would be impossible to uninvent the technology, the question becomes one of further restriction. Looking at the history of firearm restriction in the United States is an interesting study.
    The earliest restrictions were local. Some western frontier towns had carry restrictions that were selectively enforced. Locals were seldom, if ever stopped but transients were often asked to check their firearms in town. After the civil war, most restrictions were designed to keep firearms out of the hands of minorities. The first federal restriction came with the National Firearms Act of 1934.
    NFA '34 placed a tax and essentially licensure on certain firearms and components, including automatic and select fire firearms (machine guns and those switchable to machine gun fire), silencers, short barrel rifles, and short barrel shotguns. Of all restrictions, this one has been the most successful. Since passage of NFA '34, there has only been one case of a licensed gun being used in a crime. The next major federal restriction came with the Gun Control Act of 1968.
    GCA '68 established a licensing for firearm dealers, forbid the interstate sale of firearms directly to the consumer, established restricted categories of people (convicted felons, dishonorable discharged, et al), and included restrictions on ammunition. GCA '68 has been amended several times since its inception, including the addition of misdemeanor domestic violence as a category for restriction, the National Instant Criminal background Check System (NICS) and the "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapons" ban, certain provisions of which have sunset. The results of GCA '68 and its amendments have been less than successful, especially when compared with NFA '34.
    Firearms were more readily available in the 1950s than in the latter half of the 20th century and the first part of the 21st century. Murder has always been illegal.
    There is a point of diminishing returns. When does making more things illegal stop someone determined to break the law.


    Actually, I suspect making it illegal and enforcing the law with at least moderate diligence.would make it much less likely that mentally unstable high school and college aged kids would get ahold of it. Tell the parents of dead kids that their deaths are just a reflection of the law of diminishing returns.
     
  20. Dmax

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    50+ people shot and 30+ dead with 2 semi-auto 9mm?
    Sounds plausible the technical point of view. A typical modern full size 9-mm handguns hold around 17 rounds plus 1 in the chamber. Two handguns = 36 rounds available right away plus however many additional 17 round magazines. A reload takes 2 seconds. Moreover, extended length magazines are available which can bring the capacity up to 31 rounds +1 per pistol. No "Evil Assault Weapon" Uzi/AK hybrid needs to be involved.
     

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