Indochino suits?

Originally Posted by skogmantore

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What does TaT stand for?

Sorry if this is is already in a FAQ/glossary somewhere.

Thick as Thieves. Brand owned by a SF regular.

Stoltenburg1 http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...postcount=1092 raphael__n http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...postcount=1000 crafty35a http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...postcount=1047 These are all the same user... Look at how the pics and the writing style are pretty much the same. SPAM!!

Originally Posted by Tern

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Received my first order and I am very impressed! For the same price I was looking at some pretty awful OTR suits here.
I would not be.

• Too much shoulder padding and extended shoulders leading to the dreaded "divots" at the sleevehead.
• The sleeves on both the suit and shirt are at least 1.5" - 2.0" too short.
• Buttoning point looks too high to my eye.
• In fact, the jacket seems to be cut for a person a least two inches shorter than you.

Send it back and have them fix it.

Originally Posted by MrInvariant

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• Cheaper than most local MTM places
• Dirt cheap with the better coupon codes
• Fully canvased construction
  
  • Fit is hopefully better than OTR
• They are willing to work with you to some degree with customizations (amount of shoulder padding, etc.)
• Perfect fit guarantee
• ...and most importantly: cool looking homepage
  

But they almost never are from what I have seen here, that's the issue. And I remain skeptical of the "perfect fit" guarantee - how is a person new to buying suits (which Indochino customers almost invariably appear to be) supposed to gauge what a "perfect fit" is? Via grainy fit pics and snarky responses on SF? It took me quite a few suits and coats and a lot of feedback here to begin to understand what a proper fit on my body should be. I read Flusser, Manton's book, and scores of articles - but it took a while for that book learning to sink in and be practically applied. I really have not yet seen an impressive Indochino suit. Even for $350, you're better off buying a used BB 1818 and getting it tailored. While it might not be "custom," the BB pattern has been refined so that there are none of the major foul ups I see with the IC suits.

Originally Posted by jbharris88

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+1 Show me another place I can get a decent not "perfect" fitting suit and shirt combo for under $350 (for that matter show me someone who wouldn't argue on this forum about what a perfect fit is). You get more than one chance to get it right + $75 to fix the little things. Not sure about the homepage, it's in it's 8th iteration (no exaggeration).
Used from eBay, off of B&S here, or from AAAC sales or Trad Thrift Exchange. By way of example, the AAAC trad thrift has classic Southwick, Oxxford, J. Press,, Brooks, etc. all the time for <$100, all of which have far better construction and materials than an Indochino suit. Even spending about $100 on alterations (steep), you're still $150 less than Indochino. Maybe not the same slim (too tight?) fit, but classic and versatile - aka probably not what the average TaT or Indochino customer wants NOW, however more useful they may be. "Custom" does not always equal "higher quality" or "better fitting." It took me a long to to understand that.

Originally Posted by crafty35a

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What more reason do you need than a 100% satisfaction guarantee? If you end up with a bad fit, and don't trust that a remake will work out, send it back for a refund. I'm not seeing the downside here.

• Wasted effort
• Inferior construction
• Inferior fabrics
• Mediocre finished product
• Wasted time without a properly fitting suit
• Annoyance
• Wasted time waiting for them to fix
• Time spent where that money isn't earning interest, etc.

How much is an hour of your life worth? [introspection] And when did I become a curmudgeonly old man? [/introspection]

Agreed, it seems like a total waste of time for such a mediocre product...cost is a concern, but your time and final appearance should be as well....

Originally Posted by luftvier

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• Wasted effort
  
• Inferior construction
  
• Inferior fabrics
  
• Mediocre finished product
  
• Wasted time without a properly fitting suit
  
• Annoyance
  
• Wasted time waiting for them to fix
  
• Time spent where that money isn't earning interest, etc.

How much is an hour of your life worth?

What is wrong with the construction compared to a suit in the same (or slightly higher) price range?

And how exactly is the 'wasted time' different from going to your average tailor and/or spending hours by browsing for OTR suits?

Originally Posted by MrInvariant

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What is wrong with the construction compared to a suit in the same (or slightly higher) price range? And how exactly is the 'wasted time' different from going to your average tailor and/or spending hours by browsing for OTR suits?
It's just a matter of you get what you pay for. $350 is not enough to get good fabrics and good construction, in my minimal experience with MtM clothing. Being neither versed in cutting and tailoring nor having ever taken an IC suit apart, I can only assume that the shortcuts are being made cloth and construction. Perhaps a more senior formumite can advise better. I see them randomly add and subtract inches as they please, often leading to horrendous results. Your "wasted time" analogy isn't apt - with a tailor, you deal with someone who's well versed and experienced in measuring, cutting, and sewing. You can have face-to-face input. He's not going to be adding and subtracting inches willy nilly. You're cultivating a relationship with someone who KNOWS MORE THAN YOU about fit and proportions and can adjust measurements accordingly. Thus, the time spent with a tailor is not wasted, rather an investment in a relationship. As a suit newbie measuring yourself with a tape measure, one has none of the insight of an expert tailor. Indochino won't be around to see how it fits and make final adjustments. You're comparing apples and brussels sprouts. Re: buying OTR - I can put on a suit or coat and see how it fits immediately without having to worry that the underpaid foreign laborer is going to do something wacky. And when I buy online, the size measurements (36R, 38R, etc) are a relatively reliable guide as to how something will fit. I know the proportions on these OTR suit patterns have been perfected (relatively speaking) and what minor adjustments I need to make. It also doesn't take weeks before I can try it on.

Originally Posted by luftvier

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Used from eBay, off of B&S here, or from AAAC sales or Trad Thrift Exchange.

By way of example, the AAAC trad thrift has classic Southwick, Oxxford, J. Press,, Brooks, etc. all the time for <$100, all of which have far better construction and materials than an Indochino suit.

Even spending about $100 on alterations (steep), you're still $150 less than Indochino. Maybe not the same slim (too tight?) fit, but classic and versatile - aka probably not what the average TaT or Indochino customer wants NOW, however more useful they may be.

"Custom" does not always equal "higher quality" or "better fitting."

It took me a long to to understand that.


I simply disagree. 1st of all, nobody here is claiming that Indochino is higher quality. I don't think the majority of their customers care about the material. As long as it's not polyester, I don't care whether there are 200 threads or 100 threads per whatever on my suit. The average joe can't tell the difference anyway.

I'm hard to fit. I cannot go out and buy a 34/35 short or extra short from any maker, so I look at boys fits - the proportions are off, the features are kid-like.

Men's Warehouse. Jos. A Bank. Macy's. Neiman Marcus. Polo. Brooks Brothers. J. Press. Ebay. Thrift. B&S forum. None of that **** works for me! I'm not alone in this. For the guy under 5'7" or the guy who is super skinny, it's just not easy. Who the hell wants to dropping the money you are talking on something that may or may not work out and then you are stuck w/ a bunch of cloth that would look like **** even after you spend $100 tailoring it? Not me. I'd rather spend $350 + get $75 at the tailor with the option to RETURN it if I hate it, NO QUESTIONS ASKED and get all my money back. It's just ridiculous that people keep coming here to bash the brand when there is absolutely NO RISK. Your alternative suggestions are complete bullshit. Don't be pissed b/c you didn't develop a business model to fill an unmet niche yourself.

Originally Posted by haiguise

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These are all the same user... Look at how the pics and the writing style are pretty much the same. SPAM!!

Whhhhaaat are you talking about? I can understand why you would phrase "pretty much the same" due to our inquiring content...but come on, do you honestly think we are the same person?

Originally Posted by jbharris88

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It's just ridiculous that people keep coming here to bash the brand when there is absolutely NO RISK. Your alternative suggestions are complete bullshit. Don't be pissed b/c you didn't develop a business model to fill an unmet niche yourself.
The risk is looking silly. There are countless online cheap MtM ventures online. I wouldn't want to enter that crowded market even if I had the money to do so.

Originally Posted by luftvier

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The risk is looking silly.

There are countless online cheap MtM ventures online. I wouldn't want to enter that crowded market even if I had the money to do so.

I normally would agree with lufty on what he's said here, but jbharris88 has one really important point - Indochino is a decent option if you're exceptionally hard to fit (eg smaller than a 36). If you're trying to get a suit in 34S or something, then you have very, very few options here. You can go with TaT, but they don't allow returns. You can go bespoke, but you probably are limited by how much money you have. Or you can dip your toes in the water and try Indochino. You'll at least get a sense of how a suit should fit (because people will critique the **** out of your suit here), and you can return it for no risk. For lufty, it would be a waste of time because he's a seasoned member on here. For others, it's a risk free lesson in suits. You'll get a better sense of what you like, how you fit, etc.

The goal here should be to move people from Indochino to something like WW Chan, but that's going to take a while. Maybe it's only a few months (maybe the return the Indochino, realize they have higher standards, and save the $350 for Chan), or maybe it'll take a few years.

But yea, if you're 36R/ 36S or above, Indochino seems like a bad option.

My remake came in today. The fit is a lot better. The main issues I see is that the sleeves are too short now, given that my shirt sleeve does go on longer than a properly fitted shirt. But even with a proper shirt, I see a 0.75" reduction there. The waist in the jacket was also taken in too much, as well as the hips given that the vent is gaping while I'm standing upright. Pants fit perfectly besides the waist was taken in a bit too much (I never requested a reduction in the waist in the first place, but a small amount wouldn't have hurt). They don't look too flattering in the picture, probably due to lighting, but they fit very well. Shoulders on the jacket fit are better, and the vest seems okay now.

Besides the fit, there are some obvious problems that immediately stuck out to me. The pick-stitching is still there. I did ask the tailor to include it if the stitching could be made very subtle or to remove it, but it is the same as the last. Some unwelcome and unexpected modifications include the vest back-lining in place of the fabric I originally ordered, and my pants came with single pleats in place of the flat-fronts. Mistakes do occur. A remake will be going through again after speaking to Angie. I'm glad she/they are so accommodating. I just wish the tailors would get it right. If CS wasn't going to such great lengths to have it made perfectly for me, I would not be staying with Indochino. I sure am glad that I went with them in place of other online MTMs that do not offer alteration credits and remakes.

What do you guys think of the remake? Can you offer any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

P.S. I apologize for those who hate attachments. I don't have anywhere to upload and embed the pictures from.

Originally Posted by luftvier

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Lufty, you are on fire....

Originally Posted by haiguise

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These are all the same user... Look at how the pics and the writing style are pretty much the same. SPAM!!


Ahh, you got me! I've been fooling everyone. Somedays, I put on really tall platforms and a Caucasian bodysuit. Other days, I like to mix it up by significantly trimming down my height and putting on a serious tan.

Originally Posted by Stoltenberg1

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Whhhhaaat are you talking about? I can understand why you would phrase "pretty much the same" due to our inquiring content...but come on, do you honestly think we are the same person?

Originally Posted by raphael__n

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Ahh, you got me! I've been fooling everyone. Somedays, I put on really tall platforms and a Caucasian bodysuit. Other days, I like to mix it up by significantly trimming down my height and putting on a serious tan.


Of course the models aren't the same. Neither is the location. But the angle of the pictures as well as the shots taken are all too similar to be different. I'm saying that both of you are Indochino.