why argue really? kiya supports the forums, AE doesn't. I'm sure you can always find a cheaper rate for most things posted here, but you also buy service. I paid selfedge's price and am happy to have done so. Kiya's been a great asset to this forum offering deals every month.....so take that for what it's worth. You can get it for 10 bux cheaper, or you can give that $10 you can earn panhandling and give it to a business that supports the forums.