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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post
 


What about flapped patch pockets?

 

 

They're classic for country sporting coats, where you’re engaged in an physical activity like swinging a shotgun or casting a fly, and need to have something extra to keep stuff from falling out of your pockets.  Ditto for riding coats.  Here’s a shooting jacket.

 

 

 

I used to have a Norfolk with flapped patch pockets.  Might even have been pleated bellows pockets.  I can’t remember.

 

Let’s not forget that the pockets of country sporting jackets were (and sometimes still are) used for stuff:  shotgun shells, sandwiches, pipe and tobacco, etc.  The lack of flaps on a city jacket is as much about saying what it’s not as what it is. 

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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I only take that kind of practicality so far. For instance, why wear a pocket square unless you are going to use it to blow your nose? Why have a jacket with a throat latch unless you intend to button it? Why get surgeons cuffs unless you intend to roll up your jacket sleeves at some point? Same for this case, I believe. It's a detail that you can add if you want, leave out if you don't. For that matter, I don't mind sport coats with flaps, patched or not. I prefer something to distinguish them from suit jackets such as pattern, texture, buttons, etc. but I am not opposed to flaps in any way. Do not buy into the Clags/SB dogma! 

 

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Add me to the besom or patch contingent

post #29554 of 37395
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

For me, they're a disruption of the lines of the jacket. Also, I'm short, and they chop up what little real estate I have. biggrin.gif

Tucked in flaps are essentially the same as besom pockets, right?

Yep, and that is how I, with my decidedly non-baller status, roll.
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Do not buy into the Clags/SB dogma! 

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I express a preference, and you see dogma.

post #29556 of 37395
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I express a preference, and you see dogma.

 

Was not being serious. Also you didn't answer the question. What about flapped patch pockets? Is it the flaps in general you don't like?

post #29557 of 37395
I know you weren't serious. Y U NO LIEK JOAK?

As for the question, flapped patch pockets are no better. Flaps do have one advantage: Your pocket never gets caught on the armrest of the office chair.
post #29558 of 37395
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post
 

I only take that kind of practicality so far. For instance, why wear a pocket square unless you are going to use it to blow your nose? Why have a jacket with a throat latch unless you intend to button it? Why get surgeons cuffs unless you intend to roll up your jacket sleeves at some point? Same for this case, I believe. It's a detail that you can add if you want, leave out if you don't. For that matter, I don't mind sport coats with flaps, patched or not. I prefer something to distinguish them from suit jackets such as pattern, texture, buttons, etc. but I am not opposed to flaps in any way. Do not buy into the Clags/SB dogma! 

 

:fence:

 

I don't know if you're addressing me or not.  If you are, let me point out that I expressed no opinion one way or the other on the appropriateness or otherwise of this or any of the other details of jacket design currently being discussed.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac

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Just dont have any hip pockets. No one will know if it is a SC or a suit jacket.

post #29560 of 37395
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I don't know if you're addressing me or not.  If you are, let me point out that I expressed no opinion one way or the other on the appropriateness or otherwise of this or any of the other details of jacket design currently being discussed.

 

Cheers,

 

Ac


That's fine. I'm really unsure of the purpose of your post then. I certainly know the practical reasons for flapped patch pockets as I'm sure everyone else involved in the discussion does.

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I own three blazers with metal buttons.  I wear them regularly.  One is close to 20 years old (Brooks Brothers), one is bespoke and one I thrifted. I also live in the Northeast, where they are fairly ubiquitous compared (it seems) to other parts of the world, though I have seen a lot of men wearing them in the Southeast, which is where I travel more than anywhere else.  I also own blue jackets with horn and MOP buttons. I plan to acquire a double breasted navy blue blazer with the shiniest buttons I can find :)

I have never been told I dress like an old man (though I'd take it as a compliment), didnt' go to an Ivy league school, nor have I ever belonged to a country club. I understand that they are not to everyone's taste, but the connotations seem rather provincial to me.

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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

flapped patch pockets are no better.

 

Ok, you are nuts.

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I own three blazers with metal buttons.  I wear them regularly.  One is close to 20 years old (Brooks Brothers), one is bespoke and one I thrifted. I also live in the Northeast, where they are fairly ubiquitous compared (it seems) to other parts of the world, though I have seen alot in the Southeast, which is where I travel more than anywhere else.  I also own blue jackets with horn and MOP buttons. I plan to acquire a double breasted navy blue blazer with the shiniest buttons I can find :)

I have never been told I dress like an old man (though I'd take it as a compliment), didnt' go to an Ivy league school, nor have I ever belonged to a country club. I understand that they are not to everyone's taste, but the connotations seem rather provincial to me.


Bingo.

post #29564 of 37395
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

I know you weren't serious. Y U NO LIEK JOAK?

As for the question, flapped patch pockets are no better. Flaps do have one advantage: Your pocket never gets caught on the armrest of the office chair.

Destroyed a nice lightweight unlined Samuelsohn earlier this summer in this manner.

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Thread Starter 

A couple of quick comments:

 

I dislike flap pockets on odd jackets. I don't dislike them on other people as long as there are other things making it clear the jacket isn't an orphan (texture, pattern, etc). I don't mind them on a suit, and though I would opt for jetted if I'm ever getting a slightly more conservative suit made, flaps wouldn't stop me from buying a RTW suit. I might tuck, I might not. But it's a pretty low priority to me.

 

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As far as the blazersuit: I can't speak to why others buy them, but I can speak to my own motivation. I rarely wear suits, and when I do, I like them to be at least slightly more casual. I only own five blazer suits in the sense that I commissioned them with the intention to mostly wear the jacket as a separate (navy, blue, mid blue, navy windowpane, and green). But I have a number of other suits whose pants get much less wear than their jackets (a navy flannel, brown houndstooth, tan herringbone tweed off the top of my head). I only have two suits that I would be uncomfortable wearing their jacket as a separate, and one, a light gray, I generally wear the pants as separates. The other is a blue gray with brown windowpane.

 

So I guess I just think of pants as an after thought. It's nice to have them there and if I'm already at the tailor or I'm already at the store or I'm already about to click, why not get something with pants too?

 

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Metal buttons: I don't like them. They just seem out of date, though that could be due to a lack of exposure. The RTW Huntsman I bought off a member here had metal buttons originally (I think he was planning on removing them as well until he found out the fit was off). I had them removed pretty quickly and replaced with brown horn. I can't think of a jacket that wouldn't look better with MoP instead of metal if someone wanted to deviate from the standard horn/nut.

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