Things That Are Bothering You, Got You All Hibbeldy-Jibbeldy, or just downright pissed, RIGHT NOW!



Piobaire said:

Oh, and before you ***** about ad homs again, why don't you read the post you made that I responded to in such a fashion you felt I was ad hom'ing you. Given you:
1) Did not grow up in poverty
2) Do not have extensive education in the topic
3) Do not have work experience with these populations
But felt the need to call me "ignorant?" Lulz.

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Okay, okay, I called you ignorant and that was indeed an ad hominem. I'm sorry -- I tripped up. I'm not perfect.

Can we get back to the topic at hand? This is not about me or you.



Piobaire said:

GT, part of the problem is people like Greenfrog making bullshit excuses for them. If you treat a person like a child nine times out of ten they're going to act like one. You know I'm all for education but then I get people like GF fight me when I start to trot out the real facts. Part of the problem with obesity in the US is that's it's a protected class and catered to.

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well, that goes to a huge problem, on the one hand we treat a lot of people like kids, on the other hand we shy away from teaching them or acting in a paternalistic manner that would probably help people.

I know that you are going to think that this is fascistic - but if we had better education in school that tought people how to make simple things like beans and rice and veggies, and we taxed the crap out of highly processed foods we would do wonders for health.

another thing that I am all for, and isn't very america - we have lots of unemployed people who are "nice" with good people skills. if we paid them minimum wage to go around to poor people's houses and nag them about being healthier, eating better, etc, it would do wonders for the health of the country and save us a great deal of money in the long term. nework does somethign like this with the people who are highest risk to show up in the emergency room

I think it's like a cultural evolution thing. We aren't that many generations removed from a time when poor people had to worry about starvation. Getting fat was the least of their worries. The UMC has had longer to adapt to an abundance of food and has tended to pass on behaviors designed to prevent obesity.



globetrotter said:

another thing that I am all for, and isn't very america - we have lots of unemployed people who are "nice" with good people skills. if we paid them minimum wage to go around to poor people's houses and nag them about being healthier, eating better, etc, it would do wonders for the health of the country and save us a great deal of money in the long term. nework does somethign like this with the people who are highest risk to show up in the emergency room

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Actually, there have been programs just like this. When I was doing my grad work some folks I went to school with were working in the Latino community developing lay educators called "Promotoras." Here is the wiki on the program: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotoras



munchausen said:

I think it's like a cultural evolution thing. We aren't that many generations removed from a time when poor people had to worry about starvation. Getting fat was the least of their worries. The UMC has had longer to adapt to an abundance of food and has tended to pass on behaviors designed to prevent obesity.

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This is pretty good insight. It mirrors something I noticed with importing nurses from the Philippines. A large number of them got chunky. My conclusion was that it is because they can now afford what I call "celebration food" on an almost daily basis vs. the limiting factor of eating those foods only occasionally back home due to money.

I'm watching the price is right and I'd like to know when it became fashionable to screw the other bidders with the one dollar bump. I know it's not new but people seem to cheer for it.

I grew up poor and white but my parents cooked and taught me the same but they emigrated here from the U.K. so the drive to be something was there. If I lived in a Detroit ghetto I might feel defeated from day one.



Piobaire said:

This is pretty good insight. It mirrors something I noticed with importing nurses from the Philippines. A large number of them got chunky. My conclusion was that it is because they can now afford what I call "celebration food" on an almost daily basis vs. the limiting factor of eating those foods only occasionally back home due to money.

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I think that you are right with that.

We probably got too CE here. Should carry this into the CE if we want continue vs. just venting.

Well, I'm off to start my festivities for NYE.

Piob, sorry things got heated. Not how I wanted this to turn out. I know we don't see eye-to-eye here and I hope this doesn't mean you don't like me anymore, lol.

Next time I get called out in the DOTY thread, I hope you're there again to back me up. If not, I understand.

Happy New Years everyone!

P.S. I would love to continue this discussion in CE later.

Girlfriend is sending me to Whole Foods to get salmon.



harvey_birdman said:

I would never visit Disney. Let the fatties congregate there for all I care.

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i had a meeting there once, but never once ventured into the amusement park. I hated every minute of being in Orlando, btw, and have no intention of ever returning.

I am with you. I absolutely hated every second I was in Florida.



patrickBOOTH said:

Girlfriend is sending me to Whole Foods to get salmon.

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at least it's not tilapia



patrickBOOTH said:

I am with you. I absolutely hated every second I was in Florida.

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Whelp, no meetup for you then!

Crap. Xmas crap everywhere. No idea where I'm going to put all this stuff I got for xmas. Stresses me out.