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post #31 of 72
it also depends on the type of school you go to. UT is a good school to be greek at bc its so big and its a more fend for yourself type of environment.

i go to A&M (don't even shit talk, i love being here, and this comes from a city kid who was dead set on going to texas where all my friends are, if you havent been here you don't know) where greek life is decently sized but its not neccessary bc the campus overall is pretty friendly and involvement in other stuff is valued just as high if not higher. the social benefits (the whole finding yourself, shaping yourself thing) are just as available in them as in fraternities. i've had the experience of being in the top tier fraternity at A&M for about 2 years. it was great for what it was. wearing polo, bb, vineyard vines boat shoes everyday (maybe fraternities are diff elsewhere but in the south frattys dont rock spikey hair and abercrombie, it more like the shrieveport shag and sperry's), partying with tridelts, zetas, and chi-o's all the time, formals, date partys, drunkeness, road trips to visit other chapters, going out thurs fri and sat --- just general ridiculousness. outside of it i was also involved in some other extracuricular stuff, and i think thats where i really have learned to be the person i am now that is a leader, confident, feels fully accepted and all that good stuff. thus . . .

i disassociated and joined a local fraternity that had more of the type of guys i respected. it is much harder to get into (3 week admission process -- application, then cut, interview, then cut, then socials, final cut), more highly regarded bc you have to be a leader in the university already to apply. we still do all the fraternity stuff like formals and hang out with the same sororities, its just i fit in and respect these guys way more than i did when i was in the frat.

its all really your point of reference. ultimately everyone wants to feel accepted and that they are important and make a contribution -- the difference is where you derive that from. you know i dont down greek life, it just wasnt the right fit for me, at this university. i could be in greek life in another school and totally love it. i mean my sister is a chi-o at texas, but i wasn't dissappointed or anything when she got in bc i knew thats where she feels comfortable, its where her homebase is (and chi-o's are the shit at UT too). you just have to find your niche is ultimately the bottom line.
post #32 of 72
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Originally Posted by skalogre
At least I am not the only one that finds the whole thing as a bad joke ( I restrained myself from commenting). And the best reason for an international campaign to make people realise we are Hellenes (hate the spelling ) not greeks
My sentiments were basically I did not need any sort of living with a group of guys experience, I was a conscript for over two years and the stupid initiation bullshit sounded like a bunch of children playing army. Considering the real training (and hazing) some of my friends went through in their units, the idea of some spiky haired cretin trying to pull some of that frat shit on me would have made me wish I had my bayonet or at the very least decked one of them ...

For those that enjoyed your experience, good for you though.


post #33 of 72
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Originally Posted by globetrotter



What can I say, I am very rapidly becoming a grumpy old codger!
post #34 of 72
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Originally Posted by ribaldi
I don't know if I could live with myself if I had chosen to buy my friends during college.

It's an amazing time of self-discovery and growth as an individual. You'll have your fun whether you're a frat boy or not. But to choose the safety of conformity, rather than challenging yourself and gaining personal independence and strength -- I don't think so.


Ah, the whole "buy my friends line". Original. I find it amusing that half the people that talk shit about fraternities have never been in one. IF you're going to try to put being a part of a fraternity down, at least have the balls to say "I did it, it sucked, heres why." Otherwise, some of you could learn a thing or two about judging organizations based on a few examples. There are always going to be the stereotypical party animal types, then there will be the lame ones and there are the few that can have a great time and do alot of good. BUt of course that's too logical a path to take.

Anyway, fraternities don't really ecourage conformity. It's the weak ones within the organization who choose to toe the line. I know alot of men in my fraternity who did their own thing, were lauded for it and went on to great things for the fraternity, the school and themselves. Others chose to be part of the crowd and sometimes even tried to give shit to the people who didn't want to just fuck around all the time and had to make the hard decisions. And those guys are either in their 5th or 6th year or are graduated and doing nothing with themselves. Regardless of that, whether one chooses to join a fraternity or not, which ever group he choose he will either lead or follow the herd.

Yes, some of you hit a nerve. But it is essentially the same way people generalise about everything else. Guy who takes care of himself = gay/metro, black guy having a bad day = typical angry black man, Rowdy guy wearing a sweatshirt with funny symbols and gelled hair = "Ugh just another fratty" et cetera. From all the detractors here I haven't read a particularly original or interesting reason why fraternities suck or why one ought not to check them out.

From some of the other shit I read on these forums (from most of the people posting on this thread), most of the people here are equally as lame as they like to make fraternities and greek life sound. I really should just stick to the buy/sell forum.

<SNAP!>
post #35 of 72
I didn't, because I don't like to swear to pledges except in the most dire of circumstances (if in court, I would 'affirm' rather than swear), and secondly, because I like to choose my friends individually, and with care. None of my friendships are casual, and the expected brotherhood of a fraternity is not in me. Regards, Huntsman
post #36 of 72
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post #37 of 72
I didn't do it because I couldn't see any benefit to it. I got all of my partying out of my system in high school. I was a "slacker" in high school and basically went into college wanting to put all the partying and nonsense behind me and actually explore academic pursuits that I was interested in. I made plenty of friends in college, but I didn't have much interest in partying with people that I went to school with (I continued partying with the same group of people that I had known since I was a little kid - although, eventually that got old too). I also had more confidence in myself than to think that I needed to become a member of something just to make some friends and have people to hang out with. I would also never stick my thumb in another man's ass or let another man stick his thumb in my ass. I feel that the whole process is a little degrading and would not subject myself to that.
post #38 of 72
Sigma Alpha Epsilon


but it all depends on the school, you could have a really awesome franternity at one school and the next school over your faternity can be the worst. I'd go with a fraternity that concentrates less on the party scene, that way you get the best benefits cuz either way you will meet girls and have partys. It all depends on the school too.
post #39 of 72
SigEp - WA Gamma here


I was in my fraternity for most of my college experience. The months before I joined my freshman year were amazing, but being a dorm rat got old ..and so did my fellow dorm rats. Me and a few friends joined SigEp and basically got taught some of the best lessons of my life. I learned how to let loose and have fun while still being in control of myself. I learned about respect. I learned how to balance work and play. I learned how to get my shit done before going out and having fun. I discovered what teamwork really was. And most importantly, I gained a shitload of confidence. Im graduated now and have no trouble with socializing and networking. It brought me out of my shell in a huge way. And going back with fellow alums for a crazy weekend now and then doesnt suck either. (Of course I had some form of these virtues before joining...I had to work to get into college! (= ) And yes, you get to bang lots of chicks.

It was fun doing the socials, the formals and the community/campus service projects and fundraising. It was awesome meeting tons of sorority girls. (well..some of em..or at least they were the funnest girls to party with). We even had to head up projects for the house e.g. bring in someone from a suit shop to show us all the proper ways to tie a tie, a jewerly store clerk to show us the proper way to shop for a wedding ring..we even had a girl come in and tell us about date etiquette! Good times.

Plus I have TONS of videos of breaking shit and throwing things off the roof. Great for showing as an icebreaker at a wine and cheese social.
post #40 of 72
I went to a frat party just the other day just to test the waters. At least the one I went to was like a stereotype strait from a teen movie. The guys were drunk and obnoixious, the girls were vapid and mostly cute. They did have some good bands though so it wasn't all bad. I think it really depends on your personality and each individual frat, but from what I have seen they are one in the same.
post #41 of 72
Jesse, my GF lived in at SigEp at UW last summer and my uncle was a SigEp here, too. I thought about rushing there a few years ago. Cool house, but I can't say the same for almost all the guys I met who lived there
post #42 of 72
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Originally Posted by kwiteaboy
Jesse, my GF lived in at SigEp at UW last summer and my uncle was a SigEp here, too. I thought about rushing there a few years ago. Cool house, but I can't say the same for almost all the guys I met who lived there


Yeah thats what Ive heard about the SigEps at UW too. Havent met any personally though. But I did watch them on the Today show last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpX1a7Or7tk
post #43 of 72
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Originally Posted by Jodum5
Ah, the whole "buy my friends line". Original. I find it amusing that half the people that talk shit about fraternities have never been in one. IF you're going to try to put being a part of a fraternity down, at least have the balls to say "I did it, it sucked, heres why." Otherwise, some of you could learn a thing or two about judging organizations based on a few examples. There are always going to be the stereotypical party animal types, then there will be the lame ones and there are the few that can have a great time and do alot of good. BUt of course that's too logical a path to take.

Anyway, fraternities don't really ecourage conformity. It's the weak ones within the organization who choose to toe the line. I know alot of men in my fraternity who did their own thing, were lauded for it and went on to great things for the fraternity, the school and themselves. Others chose to be part of the crowd and sometimes even tried to give shit to the people who didn't want to just fuck around all the time and had to make the hard decisions. And those guys are either in their 5th or 6th year or are graduated and doing nothing with themselves. Regardless of that, whether one chooses to join a fraternity or not, which ever group he choose he will either lead or follow the herd.

Yes, some of you hit a nerve. But it is essentially the same way people generalise about everything else. Guy who takes care of himself = gay/metro, black guy having a bad day = typical angry black man, Rowdy guy wearing a sweatshirt with funny symbols and gelled hair = "Ugh just another fratty" et cetera. From all the detractors here I haven't read a particularly original or interesting reason why fraternities suck or why one ought not to check them out.

From some of the other shit I read on these forums (from most of the people posting on this thread), most of the people here are equally as lame as they like to make fraternities and greek life sound. I really should just stick to the buy/sell forum.

<SNAP!>

I've been in one, did it suck? not at the time but once I was out I realized just how much it blew.

I'm currently in the process of writing a book on fraternities from a "been there" sort of view with a college kid perspective.

bottom line - 80% of frats are the same. Some like to call themselves "fraternity gentlemen" but essentially they are all a group of people paying to share common values and women.

I especially like the process of pledging because its them telling you that your not "good enough" and that you need to be civilized according to their standards.

If your a loser, or were a loser in high school, can't talk to girls and overall just socially handicapped by all means, join!

If your smart and a leader do something even better, make your own.
post #44 of 72
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post #45 of 72
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Originally Posted by mudger
I've been in one, did it suck? not at the time but once I was out I realized just how much it blew.

I'm currently in the process of writing a book on fraternities from a "been there" sort of view with a college kid perspective.

bottom line - 80% of frats are the same. Some like to call themselves "fraternity gentlemen" but essentially they are all a group of people paying to share common values and women.

I especially like the process of pledging because its them telling you that your not "good enough" and that you need to be civilized according to their standards.

If your a loser, or were a loser in high school, can't talk to girls and overall just socially handicapped by all means, join!

If your smart and a leader do something even better, make your own.


Interesting. Would love to see your research. Where did you get this number, 80%? Sounds to me like someone hurt your feelings and 20 years later you've still got your panties in a bunch.

Join up. Try something new. Enjoy life. It's that simple.
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