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post #4336 of 7541
On that note, the BB C&J shoes, I notice they list all sizes in US converted numbers. Does that mean that any E width Peal & Co. shoe would be an equivalent F with in UK size? If so, that gives me some hope in buying some CJs in the future...
post #4337 of 7541
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Originally Posted by JubeiSpiegel View Post

On that note, the BB C&J shoes, I notice they list all sizes in US converted numbers. Does that mean that any E width Peal & Co. shoe would be an equivalent F with in UK size? If so, that gives me some hope in buying some CJs in the future...

 

I'm curious about this as well. They also seem to have a variety of widths. When I bought the Peal monkstrap by C&J, they had US sizing width both D and C widths available to try on. I didn't ask about wider, but I assume they have those as well.

I suspect that, since they are using a custom last (at least for the monk strap, last 240), they are made in US sizes and widths as specified by BB, so there may be no conversion necessary.
post #4338 of 7541
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to be honest, it's more aesthetics, how long does one's pants need to be caught like that. Probably more useful to prevent the heel corners getting damaged when using the stairs.
Especially around these parts. I don't know if any of my trouser legs are long or wide enough to hook onto the bottom of my shoe heel.
post #4339 of 7541
Might it be to prevent the heel catching the turnup on the other trouser leg?

It got me wondering though: I was polishing some EG's today and noticed a conspicuous absence of a 'cut off' heel on those. Why would EG not do something like that if it's that useful?

MtB
post #4340 of 7541
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Thanks!

 

I do have a follow up question. Was their a lot of difference breaking in your Selbourne's as opposed to your Hallam's?

 

Before I buy my new pair of C&J I have to be sure about size. I bought my Edgware UK8 (true to size) and I have worn them 7-8 days by now. I don't have any fit-problems around the toes. They hurted a little bit at first but now I'm very comfortable in that zone. 

 

At the heel they are not perfectly comfortable yet. I still expierence some heel slip, although it's not a big problem and it doesn't give me blisters. When I'm standing and move my foot as far upfront as I can there is just a little bit of room at the heel, I barely can squeeze a finger between the heel counter and the heel, so normally that fit should be perfect as well. Yet, when I'm wearing the shoes I have the impression that there is a lot of room there (heel slip). 

 

I've read on the internet that the Edgware's are not easy to break in, probably as a result of the stiff leather that is used for these shoes. Would this indeed be the problem? Do you think the shoes are not completely broken in after 7-8 days? Maybe I have to size down (a half a size) on my next C&J? I have to size that when I walk in them the leather still makes that typical sound of stiff leather.

 

Here is a picture of my shoes. I think the creases are normal and don't give the impression that my shoes are too big nor too small..?

 

 

To be honest I've never felt that any of my C&J required serious break-in, at least in terms of the upper.  They were all pretty comfortable from the get-go.  The sole getting really flexible takes a bit longer with the HG, I assume because the oak bark soles are stiffer (and the Dainite longer than that), but they're all perfectly wearable out of the box.

post #4341 of 7541

I think I figured out what my problem is. The shoes are the right size, not to big, but I probably have a low instep. I think I can't tighten the laces enough to give full support, causing the heel slip. See the picture below. There is also quite so room left on the sides of my heel (you can see it also in the picture). 

 

Hmm, this is my first higher end dress shoe and I didn't know I had to pay attention to the instep. The salesman of C&J didn't make me aware of it either. 

 

Is there something that can be done (don't feel a lot for padding). Should I sent an e-mail to C&J to see if something can be done? I think I probably won't buy a second shoe on the 348 last for this reason.. Would EG 888 last be better?

 

post #4342 of 7541
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Originally Posted by Tuur View Post

I think I figured out what my problem is. The shoes are the right size, not to big, but I probably have a low instep. I think I can't tighten the laces enough to give full support, causing the heel slip. See the picture below. There is also quite so room left on the sides of my heel (you can see it also in the picture). 

Hmm, this is my first higher end dress shoe and I didn't know I had to pay attention to the instep. The salesman of C&J didn't make me aware of it either. 

Is there something that can be done (don't feel a lot for padding). Should I sent an e-mail to C&J to see if something can be done? I think I probably won't buy a second shoe on the 348 last for this reason.. Would EG 888 last be better?



You need tongue pads or a pair of insoles.
post #4343 of 7541
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Originally Posted by Tuur View Post

I think I figured out what my problem is. The shoes are the right size, not to big, but I probably have a low instep. I think I can't tighten the laces enough to give full support, causing the heel slip. See the picture below. There is also quite so room left on the sides of my heel (you can see it also in the picture). 

 

Hmm, this is my first higher end dress shoe and I didn't know I had to pay attention to the instep. The salesman of C&J didn't make me aware of it either. 

 

Is there something that can be done (don't feel a lot for padding). Should I sent an e-mail to C&J to see if something can be done? I think I probably won't buy a second shoe on the 348 last for this reason.. Would EG 888 last be better?

 

 

A tongue pad is really the only thing I can think of. When sending in to C&J for a resole, do they re-last the shoe? If so, maybe there is something that can be done during that process.

post #4344 of 7541
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Originally Posted by Tuur View Post

I think I figured out what my problem is. The shoes are the right size, not to big, but I probably have a low instep. I think I can't tighten the laces enough to give full support, causing the heel slip. See the picture below. There is also quite so room left on the sides of my heel (you can see it also in the picture). 

 

Hmm, this is my first higher end dress shoe and I didn't know I had to pay attention to the instep. The salesman of C&J didn't make me aware of it either. 

 

Is there something that can be done (don't feel a lot for padding). Should I sent an e-mail to C&J to see if something can be done? I think I probably won't buy a second shoe on the 348 last for this reason.. Would EG 888 last be better?

 

You could try insoles that you cut away the heel part from. Cut it way back and work yourself forward until it feels good...or not :)

post #4345 of 7541
Tongue pad will work, some insole with arch support will be better (if it will fit). I find the opening of my balmorals ("V") is relatively similar between my C&J (6E) and EG (6.5/7E).
post #4346 of 7541
I have a low arch (completely flat on one foot) and consequently a low instep. I sized down an extra half size on the 348 from what I would have expected because of heel slippage. It felt tight at first, but the leather stretched nicely and now is very comfortable. I'm going through the same thing with a pair of AS that are tight across the ball b/c I went with a size that wouldn't slip in the heel.

For my slip-on shoes I added a tongue pad to help with heel slippage. It works pretty well. I haven't done it in my oxfords or derbies. I don't know how it would work with causing the laces not to close nicely.
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Such a wonderful shoe. nod[1].gif

I wore my brown shell Lindricks today. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #4349 of 7541
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Originally Posted by JubeiSpiegel View Post

On that note, the BB C&J shoes, I notice they list all sizes in US converted numbers. Does that mean that any E width Peal & Co. shoe would be an equivalent F with in UK size? If so, that gives me some hope in buying some CJs in the future...

I have US9.5D Peals made by C&J. That D is certainly a US "D" (medium) width. That being the case, it would follow that a Peal listed as E width should correspond with a UK F width.
post #4350 of 7541
Awesome stuff drdppr.

Question, Marlow wingtip or Lindrick boot. Only one to rule them all, which do you choose?
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