Official new iPhone 4

There's a lot of in this thread.

--Andre

Originally Posted by Douglas

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wow, that's gotta represent what, at least an hour and a half of wasted productivity?

20 mins on my lunch break. I'm good like that.

Originally Posted by blairh

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Your logic is flawed because you stated that the media was trying to make this issue into a bigger deal than what it really was, but instead the truth is that Apple was trying to play it off as not a big deal. That's my point. That's what you have completely backwards.

So the media hasn't overblown this thing at all? I read a headline last week that said "Consumer Reports: don't buy iPhone 4." Now, Consumer Reports never said "don't buy it." They don't have it as a "recommended" phone, but that's not the same as saying "Don't Buy It." It's still their top ranked phone. But various media outlets were running with all kinds of stories that exaggerated the facts. So yes, the media is blowing it a little out of proportion.

Originally Posted by blairh

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How many times do I have to tell you I hope you like your phone? I just ******* ordered one. Doesn't that say everything?

Yes, and doesn't that kind of prove my point? You ordered one! So clearly it's not as "severly flawed" as you said. That's pretty much my point. I recognize the issue, but I don't really care. You recognize the issue, you're very passionate about educating people about this issue, yet when it comes down to it, you ordered one. So you don't really care. That's all I'm really getting at here.

Originally Posted by blairh

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And to quote a review you previous mentioned (anandtech):

The main downside to the iPhone 4 is the obvious lapse in Apple's engineering judgment. The fact that Apple didn't have the foresight to coat the stainless steel antenna band with even a fraction of an ounce worth of non-conductive material either tells us that Apple doesn't care or that it simply doesn't test thoroughly enough. The latter is a message we've seen a few times before with OS X issues, the iPhone 4 simply reinforces it. At the bare minimum Apple should give away its bumper case with every iPhone 4 sold. The best scenario is for Apple to coat the antenna and replace all existing phones with a revised model.The ideal situation is very costly for Apple but it is the right thing to do. Plus it's not like Apple doesn't have the resources to take care of its customers.



Apple released a flawed phone and their mistake is embarrassing. As anandtech said they should have just coated the antenna in the first place. And their refusal to acknowledge their design mistake is laughable. But in the end if we have iPhone's that work for us it doesn't matter. But to think that antennagate was not valid or blown out of proportion is wrong and misinformed on your part. Nuff said.


What if they end up selling more iPhone 4s than any other iPhone? Is it really embarrassing? If the phone can still be the top rated phone and still sell very well, I think Apple will be very happy with the product. I never said that the antenna stuff wasn't valid. But I do still think it's blown out of proportion because it seems to work well enough for most people to not care. I'd call it an embarrassment if it was a showstopper that caused a flood of phone returns. But that just doesn't seem to be the case.

And from now on, I will check who it is I'm replying to when it comes to the iPhone 4

Originally Posted by Douglas

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wow, that's gotta represent what, at least an hour and a half of wasted productivity?

my boss was out today

Originally Posted by scb

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So the media hasn't overblown this thing at all? I read a headline last week that said "Consumer Reports: don't buy iPhone 4." Now, Consumer Reports never said "don't buy it." They don't have it as a "recommended" phone, but that's not the same as saying "Don't Buy It." It's still their top ranked phone. But various media outlets were running with all kinds of stories that exaggerated the facts. So yes, the media is blowing it a little out of proportion.

No, the media has not overblown this thing at all. It's a huge flaw. If anything I praise Gizmodo for bringing so much attention to the issue. They started a petition urging Apple to give out free bumpers, and look how that played out. How bout them apples? As for CR, I don't personally read their site for tech reviews, and I'm guessing most informed tech people don't either, but I commend them for not recommending the phone initially (and adding the fire to Apple's ass to do something about it). You should expect CR to change their tune with regards to recommending the iPhone 4 once September 30th rolls around and Apple has some sort of hardware fix (I'm guessing a coated antenna). So no, the media did not blow this out of proportion. But you can keep stating that if it makes you feel better.

Originally Posted by scb

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Yes, and doesn't that kind of prove my point? You ordered one! So clearly it's not as "severly flawed" as you said. That's pretty much my point. I recognize the issue, but I don't really care. You recognize the issue, you're very passionate about educating people about this issue, yet when it comes down to it, you ordered one. So you don't really care. That's all I'm really getting at here.

Yes, it's severely flawed. But no, me ordering one doesn't prove ****. I'm willing to accept its flaws. I'm not one of these ******* losers who posts on Gizmodo's comments section "I'm taking my money to Android!" because the truth is it's a flaw I'm willing to work with. And by that I mean most likely applying some sort of tape on the dreaded spot and using the bumper at the gym. So no, my purchase doesn't reflect ****. It's a hardware flaw in their design. Something Apple will learn from. It still amazes me that they put the antenna on the outside of the phone yet didn't think that a user's hand coming into contact with it would be an issue. It's engineering ignorance on their part.

Originally Posted by scb

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What if they end up selling more iPhone 4s than any other iPhone? Is it really embarrassing? If the phone can still be the top rated phone and still sell very well, I think Apple will be very happy with the product. I never said that the antenna stuff wasn't valid. But I do still think it's blown out of proportion because it seems to work well enough for most people to not care. I'd call it an embarrassment if it was a showstopper that caused a flood of phone returns. But that just doesn't seem to be the case.

And from now on, I will check who it is I'm replying to when it comes to the iPhone 4

No one is talking about sales figures. It's embarrassing in a hardware design aspect. It's embarrassing in the way in which they went about the press conference on Friday. Not to sound like a snot but I don't expect people who don't follow tech to quite understand that. And like I said before if you don't full comprehend why it's embarrassing and misguided on Apple's part, go read those two links I posted before. Otherwise forget it. The general public will take it all in and say "oh, I get a free case. cool." They will make a purchase and if they have dropped calls sans case in a low coverage area they will probably complain in person at an Apple store and maybe even return their phone. That's just consumers not really understanding or caring about what is going on right now with antennagate. It won't be on their radar until they start to potentially experience problems themselves.

And you are in that category. You come in here and say "hey, i'm having no problems", and that's great. But what I'm saying here and what others have said in this thread goes beyond just a general iPhone 4 users satisfaction. Combined with the fact that you are downplaying the issue and misguided in thinking the media just blew up a small issue. You couldn't be more wrong.

But let's drop it shall we? I'm tired of going back and forth. I made my points and I'm right on all of them. Let's just enjoy using our flawed iPhone's.

Originally Posted by blairh

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No, the media has not overblown this thing at all. It's a huge flaw. If anything I praise Gizmodo for bringing so much attention to the issue. They started a petition urging Apple to give out free bumpers, and look how that played out. How bout them apples? As for CR, I don't personally read their site for tech reviews, and I'm guessing most informed tech people don't either, but I commend them for not recommending the phone initially (and adding the fire to Apple's ass to do something about it).

I'd argue that it was the Consumer Reports thing that made them have the press conference, not Gizmodo. Consumer Reports gets to the non-techies who largely outnumber the techies.

But Consumer Reports actually *did* recommend the iPhone initially. They came out and said "this issue affects all smartphones, and the iPhone is the best smartphone we've seen." A week later they changed their tune, even though the iPhone is still their top rated phone. It seemed like they were just gunning for more publicity with the way they didn't care and then they did care.

Originally Posted by blairh

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Yes, it's severely flawed. But no, me ordering one doesn't prove ****.

it proves that you don't care enough to not get one. That's my entire point.

Originally Posted by scb

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I'd argue that it was the Consumer Reports thing that made them have the press conference, not Gizmodo. Consumer Reports gets to the non-techies who largely outnumber the techies.

But Consumer Reports actually *did* recommend the iPhone initially. They came out and said "this issue affects all smartphones, and the iPhone is the best smartphone we've seen." A week later they changed their tune, even though the iPhone is still their top rated phone. It seemed like they were just gunning for more publicity with the way they didn't care and then they did care.

I think you are giving CR way too much importance here. Yes, their review certainly hurt a lot, hell even Jobs mentioned CR by name and the review at the press conference. But that was probably the finally straw for them. In the three weeks leading up to the CR re-review there were several reviews (Ars Technica & Anandtech come to mind) that gave a glowing review however were quick to point out the glaring antenna flaw. Combine that with Gizmodo probably taking it too far, Youtube uploads of the problem, thread after thread on MacRumors and Apple's discussion boards, and it finally became too much.

Originally Posted by scb

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it proves that you don't care enough to not get one. That's my entire point.

It's not about "not caring enough". It's about working around the flaw. Before our back and forth on this all my previous posts lately have been talk about what had been going on with the antenna. The issue that it was, how Apple finally handled it, etc. You would chime in with "I'm happy. It's not a big deal." But in reality it is a big deal. It's a big deal I'm willing to accept. I never once in my previous posts said that someone should avoid getting the iPhone 4. I just discussed the major issue that it had (and still has).

Your entire point, if you will, this entire time has been the following:

1. The issue is totally overblown by the media.

2. The issue is not even a big deal.

You are completely wrong on both fronts. I can't say that enough. During this entire back and forth you have forced me to go back and revisit essentially every point or counter point you have attempted to make because you are that wrong on each front. Like I said in my last post I'd really like to drop this between us. My purchase has nothing to do with all the issues I have already pointed out with both the failed hardware design and the way Apple handled this issue.

Can one of you that understand telecom please explain something to me?

Verizon uses CDMA.
AT&T uses GSM.
They are both moving to use LTE (Verizon in 2010 and AT&T in 2011) and Verizon will use a SIM card in its phones according to the pictures.

Does CDMA compete with LTE or is LTE just for data?

In other words, are they both moving towards a common standard? Or will Verizon look more like Japanese CDMA (with cards)?

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Does CDMA compete with LTE or is LTE just for data?

In other words, are they both moving towards a common standard? Or will Verizon look more like Japanese CDMA (with cards)?

CDMA competes with LTE. LTE comes from GSM. Both AT&T and Verizon are, in theory, moving to a common standard, though there are still plenty of opportunities to be incompatible. For example, they use different radio frequencies, and phones may not support all of the standard's frequencies. AT&T and Verizon both have different chunks of the 700 MHz spectrum that's going to be used for LTE.

--Andre

LTE is the new version of GSM and should finally phase out CDMA.

Originally Posted by SirSuturesALot

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http://www.cultofmac.com/iphone-is-c...xclusive/39870

Intersting. I'm a lifelong VZW subscriber simply because I want my phone to work, well, as a phone.

Given what appears to be the planned obsolence of CDMA, it would strike me as unlikely that Apple would invest in developing a CDMA iPhone for VZW.

Can anyone comment on how T-Mobile's reception compares to VZW's?

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Given what appears to be the planned obsolence of CDMA, it would strike me as unlikely that Apple would invest in developing a CDMA iPhone for VZW.
What would they be "investing?" I keep hearing how producing a new antenna would be difficult, but that's hard to believe. Apple has a big assembly line in China, and they have prototypes for antennas compatible with all major networks. The moment Jobs says they're on Verizon or TMo, they just change their assembly line. Simple as that. With that being said, Apple isn't changing networks until 2012. The legal battle would be a nightmare for both companies.

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I need a jailbreak noooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Originally Posted by MetroStyles

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Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I need a jailbreak noooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I'm going to ask this out of pure ignorance on my part: Why is jailbreaking your iPhone so necessary? What are the benefits?

Please avoid a snarky response (if possible. this is SF). I'm asking this out of pure ignorance, as previously stated. Thank you.