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post #21121 of 26304
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

No, actually there isn't a difference.  Either way the guy/girl on motorcycle or bicycle ends up in the hospital or worse. 

 

If you are actually in Massachusetts, be sure to buy the most medical payment coverage they will allow you to buy for a motorcycle.  If they will let you get underinsured/uninsured motorist coverage get that too.  You would be amazed how many injured motorcycle riders we deal with who have $50K-70K in medical bills and the person they got hit by has a minimal policy and has no assets (FYI a motorcyclist's motorcycle insurance policy generally does not provide any coverage for injury to its own rider, and neither does the motorcyclist's auto policy if they have a car).  Needless to say, the $20K in minimal coverage the auto driver has doesn't go very far towards paying medical bills or compensating someone with $50K plus in med bills.  Good luck and ride carefully. 


I think there is a difference. My injuries if I low side will look very different than if I T-Bone a car because the driver wasn't paying attention and decided to cut into my way from a blind intersection. My point was the mechanism of injury is different.

Yeah, I go to med school in mass. I'll revisit the info. My policy is pretty cheap because the bike isn't covered for damages. 

post #21122 of 26304
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 


I think there is a difference. My injuries if I low side will look very different than if I T-Bone a car because the driver wasn't paying attention and decided to cut into my way from a blind intersection. My point was the mechanism of injury is different.

Yeah, I go to med school in mass. I'll revisit the info. My policy is pretty cheap because the bike isn't covered for damages. 

Feel free to think it makes a difference, but in the end...the most minor injuries generally involve a scenario where the rider has time to dump his bike and slide on the pavement.  When there is contact with a car/suv regardless of who is at fault...its kind of like injury roulette...we've had guys with broken arms and legs, fractured pelvises, fractured elbows/knees (requiring ORIF surgery), guys trached at the scene, people with fractured eye orbitals (with one eye now noticeably lower than the other), and guys who sadly don't make it to the hospital.  They may be fun to ride...but there are dangers you'd never encounter if you were in a car.

 

Definitely check your policy.  Most cheap policies screw the drivers and riders (I'm talking about coverage for the people not coverage to a damaged bike/car).  Most of the optional stuff (MedPay/ higher underinsured/uninsured coverage) isn't that costly to add to a policy.  Insurance companies don't like when drivers or riders add them to a policy, because it puts the insurance company at risk for having to pay out more money to protect their own drivers/riders (but without much additional money coming in to the insurance company to cover that added potential pay out).   Anyway ride safely !

post #21123 of 26304
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

My middle school dream car.

 

Very cool to see as a Convertible. i have never seen one in person. rare bird indeed.

 

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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

GF approved.

If it makes the GF feel better, my race helmet looks like a silver bowling ball.

 

 

 

My Dream cars growing up?

1970's Benz S Class.

70's -80's Porsche 911.

Rolls Royce Silver Shadow.

R33 Skyine

Z32 300ZX

Gc8 Impreza STI in Yellow only.

Buick Riviera.

post #21124 of 26304
3000GT convertibles were fairly common where I lived (LA in the late 90's). My wife's former boss had one and he complained about how heavy it was (although he still loved it). He had a burgundy VR4, I thought it was the coolest thing
post #21125 of 26304
Also, don't get me wrong, I like motorcycles. I wake up early to watch MotoGP and when my best friend had his 600RR back in Missouri and Texas, I liked riding it. It's just that no matter who is right or wrong, the motorcycle will lose. It might be because I'm old now, but safety was actually a decent part of the equation for my last 4 cars.

I also agree with Dino on the medical side of insurance. If you have a good driving/riding record, it shouldn't cost more than a few bucks a month and will likely be worth it.

Edit: Also, if you low side by yourself, you're likely fine, but you can also get run over. I give motorcycles a ton of room when turning to avoid that, but most drivers don't.

I think that's been the broader point. It's not piling hate on motorcycles, but it's that if piob is behind you in his GL, driving carefully, and you have your super awesome 1299 out, you can out perform him in every way until you wreck.

Another thing is motorcycles are harder to see than cars.
Edited by ramuman - 3/11/16 at 6:42am
post #21126 of 26304
Back on to cars. A good friend of mine does car reviews and promotional work within the auto industry. He's never owned a car in the time I've known him, but always has a cool car for the week. For this week, he has this.

Jelly:



I love McLaren Orange, it's up there with Volcano Orange and Volcano Red on the current McLarens

The crappy part is that this is the slowest McLaren he's had. He split time with Patrick Stewart in a 650 a few months ago. FML.
post #21127 of 26304
I find it hard to believe that I survived years of riding a motorcycle in the Detroit area.

I want a motorcycle again very badly, a nice bagger, but after pining for the last 18 months or so I think I've gotten over the urge. I also was thinking of getting a new road bike...until I drove by the scene of a roofing truck having ran into a group of 15 cyclists, killing two and injuring multiple others.

I think it's a "cage" for me and my elliptical for exercise.
post #21128 of 26304
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

Feel free to think it makes a difference, but in the end...the most minor injuries generally involve a scenario where the rider has time to dump his bike and slide on the pavement.  When there is contact with a car/suv regardless of who is at fault...its kind of like injury roulette...we've had guys with broken arms and legs, fractured pelvises, fractured elbows/knees (requiring ORIF surgery), guys trached at the scene, people with fractured eye orbitals (with one eye now noticeably lower than the other), and guys who sadly don't make it to the hospital.  They may be fun to ride...but there are dangers you'd never encounter if you were in a car.

 

Definitely check your policy.  Most cheap policies screw the drivers and riders (I'm talking about coverage for the people not coverage to a damaged bike/car).  Most of the optional stuff (MedPay/ higher underinsured/uninsured coverage) isn't that costly to add to a policy.  Insurance companies don't like when drivers or riders add them to a policy, because it puts the insurance company at risk for having to pay out more money to protect their own drivers/riders (but without much additional money coming in to the insurance company to cover that added potential pay out).   Anyway ride safely !

 

Dude can you go back and re read what I said? I was describing a low side (i.e. dumping bike) vs getting hit by a car. The latter usually happens to 'good' riders when the driver isn't paying attention. Like I said, those two injuries will look very different because the mechanism is different. You're repeating the exactly same thing over and over again while not realizing that you basically just said exactly what I'd been saying all along.

 

And like I said, I used to work in orthopedic spine surgery doing research and I'm in med school now. I know about the risks.

 

And since you like to talk about cases, here's one of my personal favorites: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm1313857

 

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I find it hard to believe that I survived years of riding a motorcycle in the Detroit area.

I want a motorcycle again very badly, a nice bagger, but after pining for the last 18 months or so I think I've gotten over the urge. I also was thinking of getting a new road bike...until I drove by the scene of a roofing truck having ran into a group of 15 cyclists, killing two and injuring multiple others.

I think it's a "cage" for me and my elliptical for exercise.


Might as well stay home: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/overview-of-fatality-facts

post #21129 of 26304
You can low side and get hit by a car. I'm also guessing you can high side and fly over a car. I doubt either scenario ends well for the rider. Low siding is not mutually exclusive with getting hit by a car.

I'd also say low siding in the racing sense isn't a voluntary 'dumping' of the bike. It's where you lose mechanical grip and don't regain it (as with a high side). I 'dumped' my friends CBR once, but it wasn't a low side, I just lost control - not mechanical grip - and couldn't hold it up.

This is a low side - I doubt Marquez 'dumped' the bike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydLV5mkGH9E
post #21130 of 26304

Is this the car thread or the argue about motorcycle risk and insurance thread?

http://i.imgur.com/bcLpWsB.gifv

post #21131 of 26304
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Is this the car thread or the argue about motorcycle risk and insurance thread?

http://i.imgur.com/bcLpWsB.gifv

Well first off, this is an online forum. I'm pretty sure there have been arguments about gun control in the WAYWRN threads.

Secondly, that video made me lulz.
post #21132 of 26304
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post


Well first off, this is an online forum. I'm pretty sure there have been arguments about gun control in the WAYWRN threads.

Secondly, that video made me lulz.



I wish I could embed it, but it is too large =/

post #21133 of 26304
http://i.imgur.com/bcLpWsB.gifv
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post



I wish I could embed it, but it is too large =/

Pun intended?
post #21134 of 26304
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I find it hard to believe that I survived years of riding a motorcycle in the Detroit area.

I want a motorcycle again very badly, a nice bagger, but after pining for the last 18 months or so I think I've gotten over the urge. I also was thinking of getting a new road bike...until I drove by the scene of a roofing truck having ran into a group of 15 cyclists, killing two and injuring multiple others.

I think it's a "cage" for me and my elliptical for exercise.

 

No you haven't.  Spring is here and that is when bike fever burns the soul.  Did you see my little note about Ducati days next Friday and Saturday? Take a spin on that new belt drive Diavel.  I'm 99.99% certain there will be a bagger variant

 

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Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 3/11/16 at 8:58am
post #21135 of 26304
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

 

Dude can you go back and re read what I said? I was describing a low side (i.e. dumping bike) vs getting hit by a car. 

Sorry, I've only heard the term "Dumping a bike."  I'm not familiar with a "Low side."  However, with dumping a bike (or whatever you wish to call it), I've still had client's hit solid objects that do a hell of a lot of damage.  Anyway, good luck and get good insurance.

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