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Thanks, you don't know how bad I want to get a pair of French Blue Duck Canvas Rivets to replace them though haha. Loving the Epaulet chinos so far.

That would be a nice upgrade for sure.

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Is it possible to remove the poron insole from a pair of Brooks Brothers /Allen Edmonds shoes?
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Is it possible to remove the poron insole from a pair of Brooks Brothers /Allen Edmonds shoes?
I actually tried this a few years ago, and I was quite surprised to find no leather insole underneath at all. The poron takes the place of what otherwise would have been a regular leather insole, down to the cork filling.

You actually reminded me of some further dissecting that I wanted to do on that same pair (which I kept). I would be interested solving the cap toe stiffener question I currently have.
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I actually tried this a few years ago, and I was quite surprised to find no leather insole underneath at all. The poron takes the place of what otherwise would have been a regular leather insole, down to the cork filling.

You actually reminded me of some further dissecting that I wanted to do on that same pair (which I kept). I would be interested solving the cap toe stiffener question I currently have.

I have two 3-last shoes, and I'm fairly positive that there is some type of cap stiffener in the toebox.
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I have two 3-last shoes, and I'm fairly positive that there is some type of cap stiffener in the toebox.
You would be correct sir, i am documenting my findings currently... satisfied.gif
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I actually tried this a few years ago, and I was quite surprised to find no leather insole underneath at all. The poron takes the place of what otherwise would have been a regular leather insole, down to the cork filling.

You actually reminded me of some further dissecting that I wanted to do on that same pair (which I kept). I would be interested solving the cap toe stiffener question I currently have.

 

 

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I have two 3-last shoes, and I'm fairly positive that there is some type of cap stiffener in the toebox.

 

 

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You would be correct sir, i am documenting my findings currently... satisfied.gif

 

Great timing... I was about to apologize for this post being about a week late, but here are photos from an old pair of AE Hinsdales I dissected recently.  The toe stiffener could probably stand to be stouter, but it is certainly there as I figured it was.  There is too much spring in the leather for there not to be one.  Also included are a couple of photos of the heel counter which is a slightly stouter piece of material (plastic).  Celastic has fallen out of favor in recent times, and I'm not sure if these predate the change away from Celastic or not, so the heel counter may or may not be Celastic.  The toe stiffener seems to be made of a combination of a piece of heavy polyester like material backed by a thin piece of something plastic-like.  Whatever it is, it's intended to be receptive to heat-forming so that it maintains its shape.

 

 

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I actually tried this a few years ago, and I was quite surprised to find no leather insole underneath at all. The poron takes the place of what otherwise would have been a regular leather insole, down to the cork filling.

You actually reminded me of some further dissecting that I wanted to do on that same pair (which I kept). I would be interested solving the cap toe stiffener question I currently have.

 

The Poron should be mounted to a thin piece of Texon or fiberboard.  Are you sure you weren't seeing that instead of cork?  Foam (Poron) by itself isn't strong enough to withstand the forces that the shoe is subjected do during the assembly process, and without a hard backing, they would flex more like a cemented shoe (which they don't).

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Was a good Walnut Wensday!

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Thanks to fiestaplatypus for sending them my way!
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AE Dissection, Mora MTO w/ poron insole (click images for larger pics):

Most of my initial AE's where in the wrong size, and i have worked to replace my AE rotation. The only pair i kept was this Mora MTO, which could not be sold due to inflicted damage. At the time, I had attempted to see if the poron insole was removable, in an effort to find some more toe space. I had cut off the thin leather wrapping, to discovered a memory foam layer (which i anticipated). As i attempted to remove this layer, i further discovered that it went straight down to the cork filler, there was no lower/base leather insole layer to be found.:
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The foam layer seems to be designed so that the gemming can be directly attached to it, which is the fabric piece you see as part of this removed poron section:



I was reminded today that i still possessed this semi-dissected pair of shoes. So, it occurred to me that i should resolve another question i have always had about AE shoes, whether or not they had toe stiffeners. In a recently email with Allison, she clearly stated that all AE shoes had a toe stiffener. This conflicted with everything my SA's have told me in the past. So, i went ahead and removed a section of the cap toe today:



There is indeed a toe stiffener, so while it's integrity will continue to be debated, it's inclusion seems to be undeniable. It spans the entire cap toe:



Well, this leaves me with two thoughts. Never get a poron insole again, and that i should give the Mora 2.0 a try, and have faith in proper sizing.

Note that this Mora MTO was from 1 1/2 years ago, so i am not sure if the construction has changed at all from that time. But, I would be willing to guess that it has not smile.gif
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The quiz is over. Those are mine actually. AE messed with the specs (sole edge and welt color) and since that was my first MTO I did not have the nerve to insist on them being redone. I have not worn them since I got them last year so I thought I'd just let them go to the loving and caring hands.

 



Ah ha, I figured it had to be someone here. So it wasn't ordered like that. Makes sense. However it wouldn't be to much work for them to redo the welt and sole to what it should be. There's quite a transition in there though. However if they were my size I'd still be interested.

This was the first thing I asked Allison once I got them. She said they can't change the sole edge color and I didn't feel like sending brand new shoes to B.Nelson. I know the color of the welt is pretty easy to change, but I frankly did not want to bother. 

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The Poron should be mounted to a thin piece of Texon or fiberboard.  Are you sure you weren't seeing that instead of cork?  Foam (Poron) by itself isn't strong enough to withstand the forces that the shoe is subjected do during the assembly process, and without a hard backing, they would flex more like a cemented shoe (which they don't).

You're probably right, as the foam layer has a thin sublayer between the gemming. It looks like it has fibers, but it is quite flexible, not much integrity to it:
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I think the leather sole has to be given credit of some of the shoes lack of flexing here. While that fiber layer might give the insole the minimum strength necessary to hold itself intact, it would hardly keep the shoe from flexing like a cemented shoe i would think...
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The quiz is over. Those are mine actually. AE messed with the specs (sole edge and welt color) and since that was my first MTO I did not have the nerve to insist on them being redone. I have not worn them since I got them last year so I thought I'd just let them go to the loving and caring hands.

 



Ah ha, I figured it had to be someone here. So it wasn't ordered like that. Makes sense. However it wouldn't be to much work for them to redo the welt and sole to what it should be. There's quite a transition in there though. However if they were my size I'd still be interested.

This was the first thing I asked Allison once I got them. She said they can't change the sole edge color and I didn't feel like sending brand new shoes to B.Nelson. I know the color of the welt is pretty easy to change, but I frankly did not want to bother. 


What were the specs supposed to be? If it was a light edge then you could always take some fine sand paper to the edge to get back to natural. Would look better to match the welt. Maybe even a light brown? I was going to do it to some Dundees but would have still had a black welt so decided against it. Not trying to talk you out if selling. Just talking over some options. I agree I would t have sent them to BNelson either.
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What were the specs supposed to be? If it was a light edge then you could always take some fine sand paper to the edge to get back to natural. Would look better to match the welt. Maybe even a light brown? I was going to do it to some Dundees but would have still had a black welt so decided against it. Not trying to talk you out if selling. Just talking over some options. I agree I would t have sent them to BNelson either.

I hear you. This is a valid question and I should have probably done that. In a retrospect, I guess I just didn't feel like messing around with the brand new shoes, so I boxed them and put in a closet. I acquired quite a few LWBs since then (mostly Alden) and lost my original crave for this make up. Make no mistake, they are terrific shoes, but I just don't think I like them any more.  

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Hmm . . . wonder who that could be? <cough>mdubs<cough>

 

 

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If it was mdubs, would have been walnut shell or cappuccino shell.

 

 

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Haha. Very true, but pretty sure he has/had brown shell as well.

 

 

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Pretty sure the ones he has have a lighter sole edge (they are very similar to my brown shell Jeffersons, which is why it's ringing a bell). Could be wrong though.

 

 

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I'm sure he'll be here soon, but pretty sure they messed up his first order's size (but it was partially his fault) so he sold them instead of returning. I also think they made a mistake on the sole edge too boot. I believe he has the correct size and sole edge, now. Dubs?

 

 

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Ah that would explain it. I'm not sure what it says about us that we can identify the previous owner of a pair of shoes.

 

 

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I know....but I don't want to admit it. haha
 
 
 

It has been a long few weeks, I just got home from work... Its going to be like this for me for the next few weeks.

 

Wow, you guys crack me up. Yes, I think we have far to much knowledge of one anothers shoes! If it makes you feel better @tifosi, I think I could recite your entire Alden collection off the top of my head.

 

So, those shoes were not sourced from me. I am not sure who sold them, but I have a few guesses. I still have my 10.5Ds (made by mistake) and my 10.5Cs (what I wanted). Indeed my first pair was made correctly, the second pair was made with dark edges. I sent them back and they sanded down the edges and re-applied the edging, so they are now within spec (although it has a brown welt versus the chili welt of which I ordered).

 

For the record, I have three pairs of Walnut Shell (Daltons, Strands, and Dundees), one pair of Cappuccino Shell (Jefferson with light edges),two pairs of Brown Shell (the two Strands referenced above), and one pair of Black Shell (Harrison). I still have a few pairs of AE calf, of which I plan to sell when I get time...

 

-Mike

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Anyone has a favorite belt that goes with AEs brown burnished? Trying to match/coordinate with my Kenilworths. I got  the wide basic but they sent the wrong color (dark brown burnished -looks almost black) and I don't like the "allen Edmonds" on the buckle.

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